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Sunrise?

MindsEyeExotics

MindsEyeExotics

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I was looking on the VMS herp site and saw that there is a morph called "Sunrise" , not tequila sunrise but just plain sunrise. And it is supposedly a calico-ish looking amel? Anyone work with it or have pictures? There are no adults pictured.
 
Too funny, I just posted mine in another thread. Here she is again:
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She's a SMR '10. Not very calico-y at all, I thought the idea was for deep reds and minimal white.
 
She is very pretty :) thanks for the reply. Yeah, I just read the description on that site and though they would be waay more popular if they did indeed were actually a more calico looking corn, and I had just never seen a photo of an adult.
 
When I got mine I had the same complaint/question about the lack of adult pictures.
My understanding of the morph is they start off as hatchlings with almost no color. The color comes in very intense over the first year making them blindingly bright. After that they gradually lose color due to the pigment loss on individual scales, hence the calico effect. No one that I know of has tested for genetic make up thus far. I bought mine for that reason. Figuring out what makes them tick seemed like a fun task.
The one's I have are sub-adult Amel Stripes, so no calicoing yet. But they are very bright.

Terri
 
crackerhead said:
When I got mine I had the same complaint/question about the lack of adult pictures.
My understanding of the morph is they start off as hatchlings with almost no color. The color comes in very intense over the first year making them blindingly bright. After that they gradually lose color due to the pigment loss on individual scales, hence the calico effect. No one that I know of has tested for genetic make up thus far. I bought mine for that reason. Figuring out what makes them tick seemed like a fun task.
The one's I have are sub-adult Amel Stripes, so no calicoing yet. But they are very bright.

Terri
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I thought some testing had been done as VSMHerps has written in their description that it is a simple recessive gene:

VMSHerp website said:
Sunrise Amel Motley Cornsnake (Pantherophis [Elaphe] g. guttata)

Homozygous for Amel, Motley and Sunrise, three recessive mutations. A very new morph, the Sunrise allele is truly unique. Hatchlings look similar to Snow Motleys, but with a suffusion of orange throughout. After a few sheds, they darken to a typical Amel Motley appearance. At 2-3 years of age, they undergo another transformation, and speckles of white develop! The amount of expression varies from almost none to a heavily patterned 'calico' look. Since juveniles appear identical to regular Amel Motleys, we recommend they be acquired from very reputable breeders only as the potential for cheating is huge.
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Link: http://www.vmsherp.com/4SaleCornsnakes.htm
 
Susan you are correct in citing Sean (VMS). I should have been more to the point in my response. I was indirectly answering Donovan's query of Red Factor being involved. My plan in breeding trials is to tear the morph down to basic genes and build it from scratch so I would know without a doubt what all the components are for myself. Therefore determining whether Red Factor is a part of the mix.
Thanks for pointing out my lack of clarity. I do not want to take away from VMS's efforts. His babies are beautiful and I do wish Sean would post some pictures of adults. That would be fun.

Terri
 
Pasodama said:
Here is another thread about Sunrises:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114339
Also, an adult can be seen here:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1346892
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haha thats so funny, I was just about to share that photo after e-mailing Sean asking about these snakes, he very promptly replied with this very photo in the link above, explaining that he himself did not have any homo sunrise adults, only babies and juveniles that haven't begun to develop that speckling yet.
 
Yeah, Sean emailed me that photo when I asked about them as well. I didn't know if it was already posted but I wasn't going to consider it mine to post. I went ahead and picked up one of these guys from him, it will be awesome to see how each individual develops and what the future holds for this morph
 
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