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Twins X 2

Nanci said:
That's interesting. When Jenea Woods hatched the tri-color hoggy twins, they were tiny- like two grams!!
If I remember correctly. Half the size of the single babies. I wonder if the size is affected by whether the twins
are fraternal or identical. Hers were identical. I think most are.
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This kind of fascinates me. How would fraternal twins end up in the same egg? With humans, identical twins start out as a single egg that splits, as I understand it, and fraternal twins are from two separate eggs fertilized by two separate sperm. But "egg" may mean something a little different with corn snakes than with human gametes. Does it? Can you have fraternal twins within one egg? Have there ever been examples of two different morphs hatching from the same egg? My imagination is captured.

Also: SO CUTE! I love that the twin-eggs were right next to each other so you could get them both in the same photos. I love them!
 
Thanks everyone!!! I was really excited and still am. I think it is very rare for 2 sets of twins to happen in the same clutch, well atleast no one has said they have had it happen with them yet.
 
wretchedprocess said:
This kind of fascinates me. How would fraternal twins end up in the same egg? With humans, identical twins start out as a single egg that splits, as I understand it, and fraternal twins are from two separate eggs fertilized by two separate sperm. But "egg" may mean something a little different with corn snakes than with human gametes. Does it? Can you have fraternal twins within one egg? Have there ever been examples of two different morphs hatching from the same egg? My imagination is captured.
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Two embryos get shelled at the same time. Close enough together, I guess. The picture I saw of the fraternal twins were the same morph, but not identical. I'll see if I can find it. It wasn't on this forum.
 
Nanci said:
Two embryos get shelled at the same time. Close enough together, I guess. The picture I saw of the fraternal twins were the same morph, but not identical. I'll see if I can find it. It wasn't on this forum.
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Neat! I was thinking that might be the way it would happen, but I don't know enough about reptile reproduction to know if that was actually possible. Very cool. Thank you!
 
Awwww how cool is that?!?!

Congrats on both sets of twins, they are adorable!!! And I agree, we definately need some more pics ;)
 
Interested in the genetics of this....I showed it to my kids....we live on a farm and have chickens.
The kids soon equated it to the hens that lay double yoked eggs....this usually doesn't happen often..but a particular hen will be known for doing it.
So...say Marshmallow will lay a double yoke egg from time to time..obviously there is a genetic trait due to the frequency of her doing it and the others not.
We had a chicken that was bred for meat production that would lay a double yoke (twin) egg almost every time she layed an egg.
She would lay about 6 eggs a week, and 4 of those were double yoked.

I would sure be looking into the genetics of that snake!!!!! how really interesting!
 
John3:16 said:
Interested in the genetics of this....I showed it to my kids....we live on a farm and have chickens.
The kids soon equated it to the hens that lay double yoked eggs....this usually doesn't happen often..but a particular hen will be known for doing it.
So...say Marshmallow will lay a double yoke egg from time to time..obviously there is a genetic trait due to the frequency of her doing it and the others not.
We had a chicken that was bred for meat production that would lay a double yoke (twin) egg almost every time she layed an egg.
She would lay about 6 eggs a week, and 4 of those were double yoked.

I would sure be looking into the genetics of that snake!!!!! how really interesting!
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I will be sure to revive this thread next year and let everyone know what happens then. I am going to breed the same parents toegther again next year.
 
Amazing, if I ever get twins I might be inclined to focus on improving on that trait lol. Imagine keeping only snakes that were twins and only breeding twins to other twins? Wonder how hard it would be to find snakes that are known twins? I would hate to just be breeding normals, amels, aneries, caramels and butters that twin (the morphs I have now lol).
 
Congrats on the twins!
I think I saw somewhere a picture of fraternal twins that were different morphs. IIRC it was in Kathy Loves book. I think it did discuss both types of twinning a bit. Have to go look at it again I guess.
 
Nanci said:
That's interesting. When Jenea Woods hatched the tri-color hoggy twins, they were tiny- like two grams!!
If I remember correctly. Half the size of the single babies. I wonder if the size is affected by whether the twins
are fraternal or identical. Hers were identical. I think most are.
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I had identical twins in one of my clutches this year and they are tiny. They were about 2 grams. Each of them are a little smaller than half of one of their clutch mates. Mine are snows so I have been calling them my little tape worms. I can tell the difference between the two but my husband can't at all. So I think that makes be bond more with my little twinnies. :)
 
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