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What kind of snake is this?

vliberatore said:
Well I wouldn't say it is irresponsible since I have done it to a number (3) of WC snakes that I have caught. 2 of them I knew, for a fact due to their markings/scar on one, had survived 2 years after me releasing them. I'm not saying the reason they lived is because of how I fed them, but it obviously didn't hurt.

You're assuming a large viv, I used my back lawn, and corralled the mouse on the grass (roughly a 30'x50' area). I put the snake down, and the mouse down, about 20' away from the cali king that I was releasing. I kept the mouse on the grass, and the snake hunted it's prey. I was trying to create the most realisitc, controlled hunting situation that I could. I feel like I did a fairly good job at that.
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Wow, you certainly went to alot of effort to preserve it's instincts. I have made my thoughts know and you yours. I have no desire to discuss it further. I do hope you were living in Cal King territory when you relased the Cal King. Your info states you live in Topeka now, but maybe there is a Topoeka Califonia or Arizona? Certainly it wasn't released in Kansas?

vliberatore said:
You also assumed that I just let the snake and mouse have at it, completely unsupervised. I may be younger than you, but I certainly am not stupid. I know what can happen with feeding live.

I feed my current corn, and the snakes that I didn't release, f/t mice. The kings that I've kept/released were either injured or almost dead when I got them. I could have just left them for the scavengers, but that felt like the irresponsible thing to me.
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Good for you on the FT now. I never said anything about your other animals, I made the comment in regard to the discussion that was takeing place related to releasing a WC animal back into the wild.

Glad you did the responsible thing and took the dying and injured animals in to rehab, let those pesky scavengers find some other means of feeding themselves besides eating like scavengers eh? (yes that was my attempt at sarcasm, I can't help myself sometimes)

vliberatore said:
Next time, instead of assuming the things you do not know, ask questions. It will save a lot of time. You can call me inrresponsible all you want, they survived in the wild, as far as I'm concerned I did the responsible thing by rehabilitating them.
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Again, I didn't assume a thing, the context of the discussion was releasing wild caught animals and if they lost the "instinct" to hunt by being in captivity and eating FT. Find the post I made that said "you feed ALL of your animals live and that is wrong". Find it and I'll apologize. I did make the general statement once that feeding live was irresponsible unless absolutely necessary and I still believe it is.

vliberatore said:
If you really would like to continue this, PM me.
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Thanks but no thanks, this has become boring. I said my piece for the benifit of those who may actually come here for good information that may help them down the road. I rarely do it because it typically leads to arguements because too many on here "know" they are right and anyone disagreeing with them is just wrong and silly. This thread as been my quartley reminded of how I should keep my mouth shut and just look at the pretty snakes and laugh at the poor info offered out.

dc
 
I may be wrong at this... but I distinctly recall a discussion held at another forum where I was referred to studies indicating that domesticated snakes did poorly in the wild if released- this of course can possibly refer to animals that were born in captivity rather than caught&released... but the general consensus with any WC animal seems to be that things should be kept as close to the natural environment as possible(within reason, of course).
 
Camby said:
W I do hope you were living in Cal King territory when you relased the Cal King. Your info states you live in Topeka now, but maybe there is a Topoeka Califonia or Arizona? Certainly it wasn't released in Kansas?
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Was living in the Bay Area in California at the time. Sorry about dragging it out. (That is to you and everyone else)
 
I still can't find Burger King to many wataburgers in the way. Guess I will have to buy a GPS system.

Love the Fatman
 
i agree that this is a beautiful snake! i would find out if they are protected before deciding to keep it, like kathy mentioned. also maybe you could have the best of both options by sheltering the snake throughout the winter, and releasing it in the spring? then youll have gotten to enjoy the snake, but will also enjoy getting to see it return to its natural habitat in the end. im not sure the differences in care for taking in a snake that you plan to release though, youd have to ask others. but id imagine feeding live and feeding a variety would be in the agenda to assure the snake still retains that live feeder preference when its released. no frozen/thawed mice in the wild! haha. just something to consider...but do let us know what you decide, im sure everyone else would love to know how this story ends too =]
 
***note*** i typed the above post out before i even read the rest of the discussion about releasing/keeping the snake. so please, no one fly off the handle at me for suggesting he keep it over winter. and like i said, i assumed there would be a different habitation experience for a snake if you plan to release it.
 
Black kings and Easter kings start out with that marking. Kentucky holds the world record black king snake at 4ft11.5in. I just sold one here an AL 4ft7in.
 
Fatman608 said:
I still can't find Burger King to many wataburgers in the way. Guess I will have to buy a GPS system.

Love the Fatman
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Mmmm... Wataburger! My favorite fast food joint when I am in TX or FL. I wish we had them here in K-town.
 
visceralrepulsion said:
i agree that this is a beautiful snake! i would find out if they are protected before deciding to keep it, like kathy mentioned. also maybe you could have the best of both options by sheltering the snake throughout the winter, and releasing it in the spring? then youll have gotten to enjoy the snake, but will also enjoy getting to see it return to its natural habitat in the end. im not sure the differences in care for taking in a snake that you plan to release though, youd have to ask others. but id imagine feeding live and feeding a variety would be in the agenda to assure the snake still retains that live feeder preference when its released. no frozen/thawed mice in the wild! haha. just something to consider...but do let us know what you decide, im sure everyone else would love to know how this story ends too =]
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It's a king snake of the getula species. It is a highly opportunistic feeder in the wild, that can often be found scavenging for scraps and roadkill. Feeding live to preserve anything of instinct simply doesn't matter. They eat mice, rats, voles, weavils, lizards, snakes, and roadkill in the wild. Yes, they will eat scavenged prey.

vliberatore-
I don't mean to drag things out, but in your original statement, you did say that the box the mouse came in would probably work just fine. As Camby pointed out, this can be irresponsible, as it can lead to injury to the snake. Under any conditions, it is a bad idea to leave a live, fully conscious rodent in a container with a snake. Even with you watching, it only takes a split-second for a mouse to bite, and bite deep enough to cause severe nerve damage, spinal injury, or destroy soft tissue...permanently.

I don;t think anyone was trying to make anyone else look foolish. But Camby has a lot of experience(more than 3 wc snakes, to be certain), and noticed a potentially dangerous flaw in your information. Pointing out that flaw is not an insult to you, and shouldn't be taken as such. It's just more information to learn from, and having had plenty of discussions with Camby, wherein we both agreed and disagreed...passionately..., I feel pretty confident that his intentions were genuine, and not intended to be sarcastic, inflammatory, or abrasive towards you.
 
I think I'm going to house it for the winter at least then see what happens. If it turns out I like it, I wi moat likely let it go and buy a cb one but I want to see first.
 
tyflier said:
It's a king snake of the getula species. It is a highly opportunistic feeder in the wild, that can often be found scavenging for scraps and roadkill. Feeding live to preserve anything of instinct simply doesn't matter. They eat mice, rats, voles, weavils, lizards, snakes, and roadkill in the wild. Yes, they will eat scavenged prey.
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interesting! yeah i wasnt sure how to go about feeding a wc snake that you plan to release, especially king snakes. but good to know. its always nice to learn something new.
 
Okay, I have a question.

I know king's are immune to rattlesnake's venom. Is it a specific immunity to rattlesnakes or are they immune to all pit viper venom? All viper venom? Maybe immune to a certain type of venom (neurotoxic/cytotoxic)?
 
They have been seen around here eating copperheads, cottonmouths, and rattlesnakes. I don't know how they would fare against a coral.
 
Isn't the rattlesnake/copperhead/cottonmouth venom pretty much the same, and the coral snake venom different? I mean, I know coral snake venom is different, but aren't all the others virtually the same?
 
i've always been taught that they are immune to venom. I don't know if that would include neurotoxin but if I had a coral I would throw it to my king and watch.
 
Nanci said:
Isn't the rattlesnake/copperhead/cottonmouth venom pretty much the same, and the coral snake venom different? I mean, I know coral snake venom is different, but aren't all the others virtually the same?
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Most all are the same but the Mojave Rattlesnake has a mix of neurotoxins and hemotoxins. They are a smaller rattler but drop for drop thier venom is more toxic.
 
Lavender said:
i've always been taught that they are immune to venom. I don't know if that would include neurotoxin but if I had a coral I would throw it to my king and watch.
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You know I have not said anything on any of your posts. But looks like another attempt to stir the masses here. Is your life that poor that the only thing that brings joy to you is seeing how much crap you can stir on here?
 
crotalis40741 said:
You know I have not said anything on any of your posts. But looks like another attempt to stir the masses here. Is your life that poor that the only thing that brings joy to you is seeing how much crap you can stir on here?
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Don't feed the trolls :spinner:
 
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