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what's you opinion on hybrids?

What's you opinion on hybrids?

  • I disagree strongly.

    Votes: 6 12.2%

  • I have mixed feeling about hybrids.

    Votes: 24 49.0%

  • I'm all for hybrids and experimenting.

    Votes: 16 32.7%

  • I disagree with it but understand why someone would want to do it

    Votes: 3 6.1%
  • Total voters
    49
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tracy0416

Tracy
Here's a Ball Python and Jungle Carpet Python Hybrid:

http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1326978,1326978

From what I'm gathering as I learn, there's no demand for these kind of snakes. They'll end up being disposed of or maybe going to somene who doesn't care so much. That's sad to play with "life" just becuase you are curious. To me, it screams a lack of valuing life and selfishness about satisfying your own needs.

Am I wrong? What's your opinion on hybrids?
 
I think it's fine as long as these snakes are not released into the wild. Hell, people do the same thing with dogs all the time. Ever heard of a Labradoodle?

I'd like to try and cross an Eastern King Snake with a Corn, or an Eastern King and a Black Rat Snake. I'm not going to do it, because I don't know what I'm doing. But I think it would make a neat snake.
 
A lab and a poodle are the same species. It's like a lavender and a bloodred.

A better example would be a dog/wolf hybrid- which would be like an Imperial Pueblan- both lampropeltis, different species.

Jungle corn would be like a dog and a fox.

Nanci
 
I think it's really interesting and it's something that should be pursued. Unless of course it's harming the animals.
 
First of all...there absolutely IS a market for hybrids in MOST species of snakes...colubrids, pythons and boas.

Secondly, it happens all the time. How many "true" red tail boas are being sold in shops? How many "true" BCI are being sold in shops? How many "true" dwarf boas? Hogg Island boas are on the verge of extinction because of so much intergration going on in the private breeding sector.

Than you look at hybrids like Rootbeers and Creamsicles, and obviously there is a HUGE market for these snakes...you can find them ALL OVER. Jungle Corns, Sina-corns, Corn-durans, King Snake intergrades...you can't escape hybridization, and some of the crosses are absolutely fantastic looking. Someone posted a picture not too long ago of a Ball X Burmese...that was an incredible looking snake.

The bottom line is that we, as human beings, have always experimented with what Mother Nature provides us. There are dog/wolf hybrids, horse/donkey hybrids(for several hundred years), untold numbers of fish species hybridized...and the list goes on. Most of them are viable and valuable life forces. Some of them simply don't work. I don't think there is anything wrong with experimenting. 98% of what we know today as regards different species of animals and husbandry is based on someone having the guts to go against popular opinion and see what would happen. Even higher percentages of what we know as regards captive snake breeding and care has come through experimentation. You can't discredit one brand of species experimentation while at the same time accepting another. And ironically enough, if you keeps snakes as pets, and follow any of the popular literature...you have accepted species experimentation, and adopted it's findings.

Who is to say that 20 years from now, what is being discovered currently through intergrade and hybrid experimentation doesn't break open a whole new world of knowledge in the field of herpetology and herpetoculture?? You never know until you try, and I am firmly of the opinion that it is better to try and fail than to never have tried and leave all those questions unanswered...
 
The only time I have a problem with hybrids is when it's between species who come from radically different areas in the wild.
To me, breeding 2 North American colubrids is completely different then breeding pythons from different countries like Africa and Australia.
 
I don't mind hybridizing so much when it leads to sterile offspring (e.g. mules). I'm mostly on the fence when it comes to breeding viable hybrids. It's one thing if you're trying to strengthen a particular species, but if you're only hybridizing with the intention of creating the "hot new thing" by borrowing colors from one species to cross them into another (called transmutation), that's where the line gets fuzzy.

All that aside...what bothers me the most is when hybrids are not advertised as such. Hybrid breeders need to call it like it is. I do not tolerate deception. Even a "possible" hybrid needs to be labeled correctly.
 
texastailfeathers said:
....All that aside...what bothers me the most is when hybrids are not advertised as such. Hybrid breeders need to call it like it is. I do not tolerate deception. Even a "possible" hybrid needs to be labeled correctly.
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I think that at least on this point, the majority of us can agree. A hybrid is NOT one species of snake, and should be sold as such. I get sick of seeing "creamsicle corn snake for sale"...it's a hybrid, and should be labled as such.
 
I don't like hybrids. not one bit. The 2 rootbeer corns in my signature I had and bred for years not knowing they were rootbeers. Even now I am not sure. They are mother and daughter, I had gotten the mother as a yearling in a raffle to raise money for my herp club (since disbanded). I found out years later that she was the normally colored hatchling from a clutch of a person known for breeding creamsicles. I will never know for sure. And I had bred her (and her daughter) and sold the babies to local petshops!
 
Ofh, I forgot to mention that my great dislike of "frankensnakes" caused me to say a few things that got me perminantly banned from "kingsuck". LOL
 
I have a snake who is more likely to be only part corn than pure corn so, as an owner of a probable hybrid, I'm not against it. I don't see much problem with it as long as the buyer knows what they're buying. I label my snake as a cornsnake for simplicity and because, not knowing what he actually is, I choose to think of him as one. But should I ever sell his offspring, I would NOT label them as cornsnakes.
 
Yes, I was referring to Connor. I always thought he was a cornsnake, but when I started posting his picture here many people raised doubts about his purity. He looks like a caramel cornsnake to me, so I call him one. But I'm not 100% sure, hence having to state so if ever I sold any of his offspring.

What do you think, Janine?
 
now this is a muddy poll... info from it is not too clear because hybrids like creamsicles are a possible occurrence in the wild but not as much as we have made.

My feelings are mixed... not too militant.
 
Emanon said:
now this is a muddy poll... info from it is not too clear because hybrids like creamsicles are a possible occurrence in the wild but not as much as we have made.

My feelings are mixed... not too militant.
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I may be mistaken, but I think the question is about our feelings on intentional hybrids.
 
I like the looks of a lot of the NA colubrid crosses; I think it's a shame a lot of the "not so obvious" ones get sold as one thing or another, and seen many postings here and elsewhere of new owners finding out they have something they didn't expect. I have some "frosted" corns from VMS we would jokingly call "hibirds", they just looked different. Well, per the ACS, they (and the mom) are now officially "Hybrids", with a yellow rat snake influence (??? still a bit surprised about that one....gray rat maybe, but yellow? :shrugs: lol). I've bred them, and the kids will get labeled as ACS registered hybrid rat/corns.
 
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