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Well if you get grossed out with sickness, working with animals may not be a good idea. Animals get sick just like humans.

Teehee, our mexican grey wolves are getting cysts removed next weekend! That'll be gross/fun.

You're not always going to be talking to people who share your beliefs though. I can't tell you how many people come wearing full length fur coats, when we've rescued our red fox family from the fur industry, it's something we hit on during the tours. There's also a lot of people who come in and talk about misconceptions that are not true at all, it's really difficult to get people to see the truth when they've been raised with lies and heresay.
 
(I didn't think I was a people person, either, when I went to school. It turned out, I was. Besides, in my field, I only commit to a 30-60 minute relationship, not an entire shift! :)
 
If you are willing to get a 4 year degree, consider a general biology or zoology degree, possibly with a minor in business. That would give you a lot of room to specialize in various possibilities later, as you discover your true passion.

You will find that most conservation jobs have a lot of competition and that the pay is not really great. Even state fish and wildlife departments that pay poorly often have LOTS of applicants for the few biology positions they offer. BUT - with a degree in biology and maybe a minor in business - and maybe some volunteer experience over the next few years, you could be set for the next round of either work or specialized training. With such a degree, you might be able to consider working as a naturalist at a nature ctr or park, or park ranger, or education dept at a zoo, or beginning zookeeper, or work at a private company that does environmental impact studies prior to building permits being issued. You also might work as a science teacher, although many states will require you to take a few courses in how to teach, in addition to your science degree. With the biz minor, your degree could lead to management in many private businesses that are science related, from wildlife and conservation to biotech and other science related industries.

The point is that by starting with general classes that emphasize science, you keep your options open for as long as possible while you explore what you really want by either volunteering or working part time. By the time you finish your first 2 years, you will have the prerequisites to go into biology, or probably other science related degrees, or teaching, for your last two years. And if you still aren't sure by then, getting a biology degree will give you another 2 years to explore your true nature. By the time you finish with your degree, you can go in many different directions with only minor additions in extra education or on the job training.

Whatever you do, keep as many options open as possible until you are REALLY sure of what you truly want. Don't be at all surprised if you THINK you would love a particular job, but find out that either it is not what you thought it was, or positions are just too scarce. By being qualified for many jobs, you might "accidentally" fall into a career that suits you better than any you are actually thinking of right now.
 
Sickness in animals really doesn't bother me. At least, I don't think it does. There's just something about the idea of being in a building with a bunch of ill people that I don't like the idea of.

My best friend's sister is in college right now, and she has switched majors so many times. I'm just afraid that even if I go to college and take the basic classes, I still won't be able to decide and then I'll be stuck.

I'm pretty sure I want to go to college, but it's so expensive. My family has always been tight on money, so that's my biggest issue. I'm in AP and high level classes and get good grades, so hopefully I'll get some sort of scholarship, but if I don't I have no idea what to do. I know there is student loans, but they take so long to pay back. Then for a long time, you're paying back loans, and it's like you're getting an income that you would be getting even if you didn't go to school.
 
Not carrer advice, but university/college advice. Declare a major; the overview courses for non-major never give you a real idea of what it will be like. Finish the 1st year before dropping out or changes schools. I made both of these mistakes and it was really hard to get back.
 
To answer your question, I attend New Mexico State University, and yes many of the college professors here love to have students volunteer for their lab work.
 
I'm pretty sure I want to go to college, but it's so expensive. My family has always been tight on money, so that's my biggest issue. I'm in AP and high level classes and get good grades, so hopefully I'll get some sort of scholarship, but if I don't I have no idea what to do. I know there is student loans, but they take so long to pay back. Then for a long time, you're paying back loans, and it's like you're getting an income that you would be getting even if you didn't go to school.

You already understand more than I did when I was your age. I would never steer anyone from college, especially someone making good grades, but half the people I know with college degrees are doing work in a different field entirely. And those loans STINK to pay off. It takes forEVER. That said, it can sure open you up to opportunities, and just the life lessons are priceless and I think make you more mature and better able to deal with life and people. Keep your grades up and maybe a scholarship will be in the works! That sounds like the perfect outcome. There are a lot of scholarships floating around out there, see what you can apply for.
 
I went to vet tech school and have a job in a small animal clinic, and I can't think of anything else I'd rather be doing (other than being a tech in a zoo but that's been discussed lol). I am most definitely NOT a people person, humans gross me out...I can deal with animal sickness any day of the week. I have no issues cleaning up vomit or poo or whatever from my patients, but if you asked me to clean up after a human I would walk out. That being said, I have MUCH respect for those who CAN work with people. My grandmother was a nurse for many years. (I have a nifty tattoo as a tribute to her :) )

I DO think that being a radiology technician would be cool as I LOVE x-rays...so neat to see the inner workings of a living being.

Like Susan (in blue) said, tech school is only about 2ish years, the tuition is WAY less than that of actual Vet school and the rewards are just as great. I do ALOT of what the vets do, and I get to spend more hands on time with the patients. My family asks me all the time "why don't you become a vet?" NO WAY!! I can do *almost* everything they can and I don't have to worry about the stress they do (although as techs we have our own stresses...but who doesn't?)

Just something to think about :)
 
Dakota, one thing that you can do is make sure your parents stop claiming you on their taxes when you turn 18. You qualify for more stuff that way, because the government see's you as "living on your own". I get around $5,000 a year for school in Pell Grants and around $1,000 a year for low income grants, even though my schooling is already paid off by my Post 9-11 GI Bill. Let me tell you, it goes a long way to help with the bills.

Also, my wife has been in College a little longer than I have, and she never got Pell Grants until after we got married, because her parents were still claiming her... In fact, she had to pay the government every year because of it...
 
Putting on my faculty adviser hat here (although I quit my college job iin order to homeschool). I'm not in sciences, but I think it's still applicable.


Go for affordability over prestige, especially for undergrad. Yes, there's a benefit to going to a big-name school, but there's even more of a benefit to graduating from college with little or no debt, particularly if you're going into something involving service to humans or animals-both of which are traditionally low paying unless you're either a doctor or a vet (and in both cases, you'll have HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars of debt by the time you graduate in almost all cases). As I tell my music ed students, a music teacher makes about 30-50K/yr, whether you're from a school that cost 30K to get the degree, or one that cost 150K. The good old boy network, often touted as a reason to go to an expensive school generally doesn't pick up on lower paying jobs-you're more likely to get a job at a local zoo because you volunteered there in high school and know the people than because you graduated from a big name university.


The price of college is going up, but there are still bargains out there which are very affordable. Most states now have some form of scholarship program to help with state schools/universities, so if you're interested in a specific state, it's worth it to consider moving for a year, working, establishing residency, and THEN applying to college, particularly if you have good SAT/ACT scores. Some state schools traditionally give out of state waivers quite easily-usually the less well known institutions. And it's entirely possible that a less well known school may be the best bet for your desired major within the state, particularly in niche fields. Usually the smaller schools are more likely to have you working with faculty and to have more opportunities for hands-on research and projects than a school with a large graduate program, too.

If you're interested in sciences, and anything related to animals is likely to fall in this field (I'm not a scientist, but I'm a daughter of a university chemistry professor), check journals in your field and see who is submitting articles. Ideally, the school you want to go to is the one where undergraduate students are actually listed on research projects and given credit, at least as an assistant. If the only people listed from a given institution have at least a masters degree, you're not going to get to touch anything beyond cleaning glassware or animal cages until you reach that level. And, as a result, you won't have the kinds of credits that make it easier to get into anything BUT graduate school-which may or may not be your desired path. Graduating with publication credits under your belt, even if it's from a second tier school, ultimately is worth more than graduating from a school dripping with Ivy where you were simply one of a mass of undistinguished students.

Look at how the school does credit hours/tuition. The best deals are going to be schools that have a cafeteria plan, not an a-la-carte one. For a Cafeteria plan, you pay one tuition rate for full-time enrollment, whether you take 12 credits or 18, although some classes will have fees on top of tuition. On such a plan, you can effectively get an extra minor without having to pay for it if you're willing to do the class work, which is very helpful, especially your first two years when you're largely taking general education courses, because it lets you take a few classes here and there and figure out what you like. At most schools, those last 6 hours can be audited if you're worried about workload, but if you can get the credits, especially in those first two years without letting your grades slide, do, because there's a very, very high chance that you'll decide to change your declared major and that those extra credits may just be the difference between graduating in 4 years or 5-which is usually about 10K, minimum.

Look at AP, CLEP and Dual Enrollment judiciously. In general, consider anything in your major to be for experience only, and don't expect your institution to give you college credit for it. This includes math for ANY area of study that goes beyond college algebra and maybe Calculus 1, because math is additive and the sequence isn't always the same. However, things in elective or exploratory or general ed areas? Go for it. You may or may not get credit-but every credit they give you either reduces your tuition bill, or, more likely, gives you more time to take extra classes for the SAME tuition bill. While AP and CLEP are often spun as ways to reduce tuition, in practice most college schedules are set up such that all the required classes you'll need won't be offered in the right sequence in under 4 years. But, if you've gotten, say, 12 credit hours out of the way, that's 4 extra classes you can take at the college level, in things that interest you more than repeating what is essentially the same English class you did in high school, without having to pay more to do it. I do not suggest taking a full year of AP classes your senior year unless you've truly exhausted the offerings at the high school level. In most cases, you'll be better off taking a more balanced high school schedule and allowing time for volunteer work (since you're interested in animals, something like a shelter, being a zoo docent, or rescue would be good-even if you can't find one reptile-specific) than taking an extra AP history class if you're not all that interested in history and will have to spend hours studying just to keep up, and life experience is more likely to lead to picking a major that's not an expensive mistake for you.

Take both the SAT and the ACT. Usually students do better on one than on the other, and it's simply the difference in test formatting as much as anything else. Some colleges prefer one, some the other (in general, the middle of the USA wants the ACT, the coasts want the SAT). Spend some time preparing for the test-not cramming, but understanding the tricks and wording. I love vocabulary Cartoons for the vocabulary section (on either test), and spending some time with Latin and Greek word roots will serve you well, not only on the college tests, but in any science-related field. Make sure your algebra skills are strong, and if it's been several years since you took algebra, refresh them a bit-the Algebra Survival Guide and Painless Algebra are both good books for this, because a majority of the math questions can be solved with just Algebra (The ACT actually requires a little more math than the SAT-but also is more straightforward. The SAT likes playing games). Read up a bit on the writing section-you don't have to actually know a THING about what you're writing about, only be able to put it in the correct format, and if your handwriting has deteriorated to a chicken scratch, try to get it a little more legible before the test. Entries written in cursive consistently score better than those that are printed, but it needs to be legible cursive.

Finally, major in what you love and want to do. Yes, some majors are pretty much unemployable-but the fact is that ANY college degree opens doors, and there are few other opportunities to truly immerse yourself and do what you love. I've seen many, many more students who chose a "practical" path drop out than those who were there for the love of what they were learning-and ultimately, you're better off with a completed BA, even if it's in an impractical field (and remember, in my former life, I was advising people who were majoring in music performance-which is pretty darned impractical!) than in 1/2 of a degree in something practical.

Good luck

---DOnna
 
I'll have to talk to my parents about claiming me. We haven't really sat down yet and talked about college or what's going to happen in a little over a year.

Right now I think I'm on a plan where if I maintain a 3.5 GPA I get some sort of scholarship. Even though I'm getting a few Bs right now, the 2 AP classes I have are graded on a 5.0 scale, so a B is like an A.

You were talking about math for a while Donna. Right now as a junior I'm in AP Calculus BC, which is the highest level math class my school offers. Next year 4 others and I have the oppertunity to take a distance learning course of Calculus 3. It's only a semester, and I'm really not entirely sure if I should do it yet. What do you guys think? I'm going to be taking AP stats next year also, which is a full year course. Is taking the math class worth it, or will I not even need Calculus 3 for most things, like a vet tech? (I think a vet tech sounds like a pretty good job that I would be interested in.)

Last year, I took AP World history, and passed the AP test with a 4, which I think earned me 4 college credits. This year I'm in AP US history, and I think the AP test in May also gives 4 credits. I'm really not sure yet how these apply, I have to go talk to my guidance counselor and discuss college things still.

Last month, we had an oppotunity to take the practice SAT, or PSAT, but I didn't because I'm planning on going to school in the midwest somewhere. (Planning, but I'm still 99% undecided.) I'm pretty good at algebra, but it has been a while since I took it. Hopefully my latin and greek will be better by then. I'm in a marine biology class right now, and we use a LOT of latin and greek. I'm also planning on taking an AP bio class next year, and maybe AP chem.
 
Thanks everyone so far with all the advice. I started repping people but I'm not allowed to anymore because I did to many hehe.

Does anyone know if vets allow teenagers to volunteer and help out with actually treating animals?
 
As far as math goes, it never hurts to take it, but don't count on getting college credit/advanced placement for it if you're in a degree plan that requires advanced math. Since calculus sequences differ dramatically in what they offer when, unless you can complete a full calc sequence before entering college, there's a big chance of missing an important chunk, so most schools either do not give advanced placement credit at all, or do so only for general ed distribution requirements when there's no specific math required in the major (my music majors, for example, can usually get placement out of college math entirely if they have taken Calc AB and BC-but cannot get placement out of music theory except by challenging the actual test used by the college. For a math major, it's the opposite-a 3 on the Music theory AP gives them the fine and performing arts credits they need, but they can't get placed out of calculus except by challenging the actual exam). I'd suggest statistics over Cal III for that reason-it's highly likely you'll have to go backwards in calculus, much less likely in Statistics, which is often a stand-alone. Dual enrollment or distance learning is often less accepted than APs, unless you're going to the college that actually did the dual enrollment/distance learning class. Part of this is money-it's a lot cheaper for a college to teach lower division courses, especially ones taught by grad students, than upper division ones, but the per hour tuition rate is the same. And part of it is that their name is going to be on your diploma, and therefore they want you to be competent.


For other APs, the number of credits given is determined by the individual school. Some give credit for anything over a 3, some credit only for a 5. Some give placement, but no credit. Some give both, but only in general education requirements. Some give no credit whatsoever. Regardless, an AP exam typically gives credit for one college semester class, however many credit hours that is. Usually it's 3 for Liberal arts classes, sometimes 4 for science classes that have a lab component (3 classroom, 1 lab). In general, take AP classes because you want to take the class-not because you expect to get money out of it.


There's a fairly inexpensive curriculum supplement called "Science Roots" used by homeschoolers, which goes through Latin/Greek roots/derivatives that are most commonly used in science fields. It's not a true Latin/Greek class, but it's useful for self-study. My two favorite textbooks for high school level Latin and Greek are Cambridge Latin and Athenaze, (Technically a college text, but doable by a strong high school student) respectively-both are reading-based curricula from England, so you get vocabulary in context, with less focus on grammar than in the traditional course. However, neither is particularly focused on technical vocabulary. It's great if you want to build up your general understanding of word roots, derivatives and vocabulary before the SAT/ACT, though.


As far as vets go, all you can do is ask. The vet who cares for our cats is a homeschool (well, office school) mom herself, and does often have teens do internships with her where they're involved in some aspects of animal care, although usually on the boarding side. I also know at least two homeschooled teens who volunteer with shelters and rescue groups in the area. I also know our local zoo has a docent program where teens can volunteer starting at about age 16, and hires teens to work zoo camp in the summer (although that's more child care than animal care).

Good luck!

--Donna
 
Thanks for the Latin and Greek books, I'll for sure have to look at those before I take the test. My dog has a vet appointment soon, so I'll have to talk to them about volunteering.
 
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