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Wild baby corn snake question
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ashleynicole
New member
I don't know about this species in particular but most kings and milks are kept pretty much exactly the same as corns and can be cross bred, although it's difficult since kings are prone to cannibalism.
I've kept california king, florida king, and a mexican milk snake and they were all voracious eaters. The florida king most of all...
I've kept california king, florida king, and a mexican milk snake and they were all voracious eaters. The florida king most of all...
ashleynicole
New member
We also have a Mexican hognose and they are really neat, although they can be difficult feeders at times, and I am allergic to whatever it is they secrete to make them smell bad.
ashleynicole
New member
Of your not set on a snake, bearded dragons are great pets
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
Yeah, there are a ton of different king and milk snake species out there too. Check out this site,
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117704
It has a ton of ads for all kinds of snakes, you can see what catches your eye and then research if it would be a good fit. And the BOI hosted on there is a good place to check out the reps of any sellers you might think about buying from.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117704
It has a ton of ads for all kinds of snakes, you can see what catches your eye and then research if it would be a good fit. And the BOI hosted on there is a good place to check out the reps of any sellers you might think about buying from.
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
Kudos to you for letting the baby go!
There are a number of different species to chose from, it just depends on what you want in a pet.
The BOI is definitely helpful in avoiding some of the not so good breeders/sellers out there.
I have no experience with Milksnakes, but I know it's not uncommon for Kingsnakes to be hard to get eating as babies. Once they do start eating, they will eat about anything. Some launch themselves out of their enclosure when it's feeding time! LOL
I know Chip has a fair amount of knowledge in a variety of animals, and he offers good advice.
There is a plethera of knowledge here among many of the members, that can help you figure out what might be a better fit for you, and where to find it.
Aside from Cornsnakes, I also keep Mexican Black Kingsnakes, various Carpet Pythons, and Crested Geckos. It is a fun variety of species!
There are a number of different species to chose from, it just depends on what you want in a pet.
The BOI is definitely helpful in avoiding some of the not so good breeders/sellers out there.
I have no experience with Milksnakes, but I know it's not uncommon for Kingsnakes to be hard to get eating as babies. Once they do start eating, they will eat about anything. Some launch themselves out of their enclosure when it's feeding time! LOL
I know Chip has a fair amount of knowledge in a variety of animals, and he offers good advice.
There is a plethera of knowledge here among many of the members, that can help you figure out what might be a better fit for you, and where to find it.
Aside from Cornsnakes, I also keep Mexican Black Kingsnakes, various Carpet Pythons, and Crested Geckos. It is a fun variety of species!
My son is loving the idea of a hognose. Are these considered poisonous? I found the state laws here:
http://www.bornfreeusa.org/b4a2_exotic_animals_state.php?s=tn
Also, how is their temperament?
Repticon is coming to town in a couple of months. Is it worth waiting or should I purchase online? Where am I likely to get a better deal? We wont be looking for anything to fancy probably just a plain western hognose, or albino.
Thanks again for all the advice.
http://www.bornfreeusa.org/b4a2_exotic_animals_state.php?s=tn
Also, how is their temperament?
Repticon is coming to town in a couple of months. Is it worth waiting or should I purchase online? Where am I likely to get a better deal? We wont be looking for anything to fancy probably just a plain western hognose, or albino.
Thanks again for all the advice.
Chip
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Hognose snakes are technically rear fanged venomous. That said, the venom is mild and they do not bite defensively. However, feeding response bites are possible, particularly with females. Their temperament is all across the board -some individuals are quite calm, and others are extremely high strung. But the most high strung ones will still not bite defensively, they will flatten, hiss, bluff and closed mouthed strike. The worry for bites is at feeding time. Here is a photo journal of a guy allowing one to chew on him, and the aftermath: http://www.herpnet.net/bite/
Western hognose are my favorite serpent to keep as a pet. I LOVE their little attitudes and quirky behaviors. Understand a few things about them before making your selection, and if they fit the bill of a snake you want, you'll love them too. Females are about three times the size of males on average. Females also take feeding time more seriously, they remind me of moray eels when they smell food, sweeping around mouth agape and biting their waterbowls, themselves, or whatever might get in their way. Males are are typically more gentle feeders -many of mine won't eat unless left alone. Males are prone to go off feed and refuse food for long periods of time, often losing a lot of weight and worrying you to death. You can try every trick in the book, even live toads, and they simply will not eat again until they are ready. Babies can be very tricky. Babies can decide they don't like f/t after eating them for many meals. I have had them that would starve and die if I didn't scent/offer live/whatever trick worked. Then one day they will be happy to take f/t again. But adult males going off feed don't take to tricks, they seem to be in breeding mode, not eating mode, for a month or two at a time. The ones that really pace the cage really lose weight quickly. I have even let them breed to see if that would break the fast, but it doesn't seem to.
I wouldn't buy a snake from this guy, but he has a nice caresheet: http://www.extremehogs.com/Caresheet.html
Western hognose are my favorite serpent to keep as a pet. I LOVE their little attitudes and quirky behaviors. Understand a few things about them before making your selection, and if they fit the bill of a snake you want, you'll love them too. Females are about three times the size of males on average. Females also take feeding time more seriously, they remind me of moray eels when they smell food, sweeping around mouth agape and biting their waterbowls, themselves, or whatever might get in their way. Males are are typically more gentle feeders -many of mine won't eat unless left alone. Males are prone to go off feed and refuse food for long periods of time, often losing a lot of weight and worrying you to death. You can try every trick in the book, even live toads, and they simply will not eat again until they are ready. Babies can be very tricky. Babies can decide they don't like f/t after eating them for many meals. I have had them that would starve and die if I didn't scent/offer live/whatever trick worked. Then one day they will be happy to take f/t again. But adult males going off feed don't take to tricks, they seem to be in breeding mode, not eating mode, for a month or two at a time. The ones that really pace the cage really lose weight quickly. I have even let them breed to see if that would break the fast, but it doesn't seem to.
I wouldn't buy a snake from this guy, but he has a nice caresheet: http://www.extremehogs.com/Caresheet.html
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
I have no experience with hognose snakes, with the exception of seeing some ridiculously cute babies at a friends house. I don't know how many or what kind he produced, but he showed me a few of them, and they are incredibly cute! They were acting all kinds of tough, hissing and head butting the side of the bin.
ashleynicole
New member
I totally agree with the feeding issues of hognose. We have a male Mexican hognose and he goes of feed every spring. When we first got him I was so worried I finally used the trick of leaving his water bowl out for 3 days before offering a soaking wet fuzzy. But now he eats pretty regularly on f/t hopper sized mice so I don't worry. I have discovered I am allergic to whatever he secretes from his skin when I had snake track rashes all up my arms after handling him. And yes they have a mild venom but its not neurotoxic or hemotoxic, its similar to a bee sting type reaction although ours has never bitten, he just does false strikes.
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
We have 2 male Westerns and they are super fun! Have only had the new baby for about 10 days but so far he's very calm and curious. The other one we got as an adult about 2 years ago and he goes through the whole threat display often, it's quite funny to watch. He also enjoys going on 1 to 3 month food strikes at random intervals but always starts eating again, so they no longer worry me.
Although they are orders of magnitude harder to find and have pretty completely different care than the Westerns, Tricolor hognoses are very neat little snakes too. But they are a lot harder to find, like I said and will cost a good deal more too.
Although they are orders of magnitude harder to find and have pretty completely different care than the Westerns, Tricolor hognoses are very neat little snakes too. But they are a lot harder to find, like I said and will cost a good deal more too.
germanshepherd
New member
I saw a photo of a guys hand who was bitten by a hognose and it was scary looking. here is a link to the photos. not trying to rain on anyones parade and I know this is a rare thing to happen but just something to be aware of... you never know how your body will react until you are bitten.
http://www.herpnet.net/bite/
http://www.herpnet.net/bite/
germanshepherd
New member
sorry chip, must have missed that.. I read through the whole post but missed your link. thanks
Nanci
Alien Lover
That guy let the hognose chew on him just so he could see how bad of a reaction he'd get. If a person _did_ get a feeding bite, all they need to do is gently detach the snake. Don't sit there and let it chew on you.
germanshepherd
New member
I agree but never been bitten by a rear fanged snake.. not sure how simple it is to detach a bite from a snake like that. This guy had to run it under water. What if that did not get it to release right away.. I see your point but something people should be aware of.
if a bite like that can do that to an adult, think of what it can do to a child and it may not be as easy to detach the snake from a scared or crying child and we see what happened after only 3-5 minutes.
My point was just an FYI to be aware of since the hognose was being recommended for children and felt a duty to bring it up even though its probably a one in a million occurance..
if a bite like that can do that to an adult, think of what it can do to a child and it may not be as easy to detach the snake from a scared or crying child and we see what happened after only 3-5 minutes.
My point was just an FYI to be aware of since the hognose was being recommended for children and felt a duty to bring it up even though its probably a one in a million occurance..
Chip
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I have been tagged by hogs many times now. Even the most persistent ones are easy to get off of you. They aren't going to hold on while dangling, which I would suspect would happen in every case except the guy holding still and letting one chew on his finger. That said, I wouldn't have a kid remove a hungry one from a cage. Once out, all of mine (30ish) are out of feeding mode. That guy had the animal tasting blood and certain it was latched on to a meal. I've had to run getula kings under water, but never a hog.
germanshepherd
New member
Chip, that is good to know. I never owned a hog and know that they have good reputations and known to be pretty calm snakes. Its nice to hear from someone who has them and familiar with the breed. I hope I did not offend any hog owners out there as that was not my intent at all. Hopefully parents would be responsible enough to not let a child bring out a hungry hog etc. appreciate your input..
on a side note, I had a boa that bit me once and I can say it was not easy to get him to release. you try to balance getting them to release with out harming them and not doing further damage to my skin. I took the route of going through more pain and skin damage to protect him. it caused a bit of damage to me and to this day I have little feeling in my finger due to permanent nerve damage. That was from a large boa and an odd bite. He was out with me, handing around etc and out of no where, he just bit me. totally unprovoked, had no scent on me, was well fed.. had him for 10 years and never bit or tried to bite before. talk about surprised .
ashleynicole
New member
My husband's worst bite was from our ball python... only ever bit once in 10 years and latched and coiled on my husbands hand. (Our fault a mouse had been sitting overnight on top of the cage we forgot about) my husband just waited for him to let go but was picking teeth out of his hand for a week. I'd say the biggest risk would be infection and from a hognose the second biggest risk would be anaphylaxis only if you happen to have a reaction. Me of course I immediately scrub all bites with soap and water and even though it's no longer reccomended I rinse all fresh wounds with peroxide and then scrub again with soap and water to remove the peroxide.
ashleynicole
New member
And with a wound like the one pictured well that was an idiotic thing to do you could lose a finger like that due to infection or compartment syndrome from swelling.