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Dead Snake

I disagree, Bob. This is the Health Issues section, and it is a health issue being discussed. The breeder was not mentioned by name at all, until he came forward.
 
I agree is a health section, like I said was my opinion. Just seems like most of the thread is about the snakes arriving without being known they were shipped.
 
Well, I think that's a legitimate topic for discussion, too.

Generally speaking, maybe some people who have not bought snakes over the Internet don't even realize that some generous breeders will include freebie snakes, sometimes. I think we've explored the range of snakes that could be offered for free, from nice gifts to extras to fill out the project, to poor or non-feeders, to kinked snakes, and why a breeder would do this, and why this may or may not be a welcome surprise. And also, maybe people who DO NOT want a surprise have learned to clearly state that to the person sending them the snake(s).
 
So do we have proof either way that they were surprises or not? I think that is the biggest issue everyone has had on here.
 
Woah! Okay, when did I ask you to hold a coral ghost for me? I would like to see that pm. When you posted the original thread of the male coral ghosts for sale in october is the very first time we spoke about the snake. I was not told until after you had shipped him that you had included four free babies, at the time I was grateful for. Upon arrival they all got settled in to their separate tubs, as you may recall from the phone conversation we had after I picked them up. After a week, I fed them. The coral ghost male kept down, and has kept down all his food. One of the babies has not had issues and is doing well, each of the others have had issues since they arrived. Also, that snake that is being fed in the picture is not the one from you, that is my specter and if you honestly feel that the shadow in the picture is mold, then I ask you to drop in and see my snakes unannounced at any time. Regardless, the question is why would they all have issues the very week of arrival if this was a question of my husbandry?
 
If you were being contacted in July about a Cg male, it was not by me. I also never asked or agreed to getting freebies in August, since I originally spoke to you in October. I did not start new PMs for contacting you either, I sincerely believe you have me confused with some one else. The last message I have from you, from the original PM I sent you is from dec 12, but none of the original discussion starting in October is on it. I do not have the PMs either as my inbox filled sometime ago. Also, I will not discuss names, as I have not the rest of the thread, but I spoke to at least three other members here which encountered the same issue. Yes, a refund was given for the coral ghost to help cover the necropsy on the snake that died. I appreciated it, and it was brought up that I could just bring the other's to a pet store. IF the babies were healthy I would, but they are not, though they would fit in with all the other sick snakes there. The video of the feeding to my 2011 female specter, flatline, is still on Facebook, anyone is more than welcome to add me as a friend and view it for yourself.
 
I hope you can both solve this amiably. I am sorry the snakes died, but if Dave has refunded you I don't know what else is expected of him. I'm sure the free snakes were meant as a nice gesture. I'm also pretty sure Dave will probably check with people from now on if they want the freebies or not. It's hard to know if someone will be into that, which is why if I think someone might like an extra snake I ask them first. I agree with what Bob said - sometimes they just don't make it and it isn't anybody's fault. Any breeder feels awful when this happens to a baby they sold someone, the good ones step up and try to make it right.
 
I agree- I'm sure Dave was including the free snakes in a nice gesture. He would never intentionally send ailing babies- he has a heart of gold. The whole thing is just sad.
 
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Do I need to take him to a specialist for a necropsy, or can any vet do that? I just really worry that something might be wrong with all these kids. They are quarantined away from most of my collection and I always took care of them last, but if it is something airborne I am worried they all could have gotten it. The older male I got with them has not had any issues, it was just the free group of hatchlings.
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I just want to remind everyone what the concerns originally were when this thread got posted. It wasn't the intent to bad mouth the breeder or the OP for that matter. It was just to get some concerns answered. I don't think that the OP is looking for anything more other than to maybe resolve the miscommunication. TBH I kind of hate the turn that this thread has taken. I personally think highly of the OP and the breeder and I hate to see either of them getting their reputation tarnished the way that it could or has from this thread.
 
And I don't expect anything more to be done, I already feel that the most that could have happened has, I just wanted to share what is going on here with the critters. I didn't mean to cause an upset.
 
Michelle, I'd like to apologize. I was way off here. I was wrong. I had confused some invoices which were shipped out the same week. I'm sorry I said things about you which were not true. I've edited my other post on this thread. But I know I may have done some damage and I truly regret it. I don't know what to do at this point. I've been a total jackass & then some, & it shows. . I'm sorry I sent extra stuff you did not want into your life. Also, what did the necropsy cost you? Can I paypal that over to you? We seem to have overlooked that.
I've looked at all your pics around the web. You have a really beautiful setup there. Well displayed animals, everything is immaculately clean, pristine. First class all the way. For everyone else reading this, friend Michelle on fB & you can see for yourself.
I realize I've lost a lot of reputation in this community. To anyone who feels I have wronged them in any way, just let me know and I'll do whatever it takes to make things as right as possible. Preferably via private message or email, but it's your choice and I will respect that.
I have learned a lot from this thread. Thank you to all participants.
Michelle, you are a good & honorable person. Thank you for being you.
dp
 
Thank you Dave for clarifying the misunderstanding. I don't think anyone would disagree that you meant well by sending freebies. It is to bad that this has happened but everyone can see that you meant well and will do the right thing by your customers.
 
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Just goes to show, a miscommunication can have profound effects.

Dave,

You've lost no respect by me. I can only speak from experience...and while I've not posted pics of the 2 babies I got from you in awhile now, you and everyone else needs to know, they are doing great, eating well & growing!

I think you've done what all in this hobby expects.... Going above & beyond to make things right.

Bravo to you good sir!
 
Dave,
No worries. As the Coral Ghost (Wendigo) is a happy healthy boy, the refund went to the necropsy, I was not expecting the refund at all since the issue is with the free kids. I appreciate your honesty, and I in no way feel that you sent sick snakes knowingly. They may have been fine at your place and the stress of shipping brought out an underlying issue. You are a very busy guy with a lot of critters so it is easy to have a few mix ups between invoices :) I am sorry I came off harsh yesterday. Not to use it as an excuse, but I wasn't having a very good day to begin with then I came on here and saw all these discussions that had spiraled downward from what I had intended, and I responded back from my phone without really going through and reading everything before replying. I figured that there had been a mix up, but only realized it later on when I had time to reflect on it. I apologize for everything that has happened, and I am doing my best to get the other little one back on track.
Thank you, and sorry again for how this turned out, it was not my intention when I started the thread.
 
I'm always a day late... Out of curiosity, having suffered very nearly your exact problems from a seller, may I ask, even as a PM, whom the seller was? And if you have posted/checked the BOI (um, Board of Inquiry) pages? Just wondering...

Cara B, SA TX
 
ryoverde said:
I'm always a day late... Out of curiosity, having suffered very nearly your exact problems from a seller, may I ask, even as a PM, whom the seller was? And if you have posted/checked the BOI (um, Board of Inquiry) pages? Just wondering...

Cara B, SA TX
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I am the seller of the snake she purchased, the dead one was a freebie.
This is me being openly honest. I learned a lot this year. I owe Michelle a debt of gratitude.

Have you contacted the person or company you acquired your snake from?
 
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