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This Season Is NOT Going As Planned.....at all...(vent)

starsevol said:
Aw Dean...
You told me when she was bound. I didn't know you lost her.

There are worse things than clutches of slugs.....
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Yeah, there are worse things than no eggs or slugs. :(

She laid her clutch, and she appeared free of eggs, but I'm not so good at palpating. Some time later she ended up with two slugs lodged behind her vent. I took her to the vet, and the vet gently massaged the slugs out with no difficulty. But she wouldn't resume eating, and one day I found her dead. She was perfect weight and muscle-tone going in, so I don't know exactly what happened. She laid about the same number of eggs last year, and bounced back like a champ, but there was no binding in '07. She was the prettiest lava I'd ever seen (one of the dark ones), so I was very disappointed to lose her. Jeff was incredibly understanding, but I still feel pretty crappy about it anyway...
 
Yes, you seemed fairly optimistic when she first got bound.

Strange hobby this....the ups are really up, but the downs SUCK!
 
Well just think Beth, what's worse....a clutch of slugs, or an 18 egg clutch hatching and then because of your own stupidity the entire clutch ends up dying with 24 hours?

Nothing like cracking open an egg container to find 4 dead hypo sunkisseds. That was awesome! :puke01: It's always a blast to lose a whole clutch probably worth something like $3k.
 
Hey Dean, thanks for responding. I had to go back to your Butter stripe thread and reread because I had stopped following it. I assumed all was well and she was going to be a pet. When everything goes as "planned" we forget how amazing it is that any creature is born relatively perfect. I appreciate everyone sharing breeding issues. It makes me feel a little less inadequate and helps to put things in perspective.
Terri
 
Joejr14 said:
Well just think Beth, what's worse....a clutch of slugs, or an 18 egg clutch hatching and then because of your own stupidity the entire clutch ends up dying with 24 hours?

Nothing like cracking open an egg container to find 4 dead hypo sunkisseds. That was awesome! :puke01: It's always a blast to lose a whole clutch probably worth something like $3k.
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I read about that Joe, and it REALLY sux. I felt so bad when that happened to you, it was awful. I think I'm just having this pity party for myself because in 06 the fire female had a small but INCREDIBLE clutch. Then she went eggbound last year. So this year was going to be something special.
 
It's not a pity party Beth. You wait all year, if not years, for this small window of opportunity. A lot of effort goes into every animal produced. It's perfectly natural to feel disappointed. And not to put a fine point on it but like Dean so sagely pointed out, they are still eggs in the incubator. And once they aren't eggs they will be babies that either eat or don't; worse still they eat and regurge. So yes, feeling disappointment goes with the game. What good would the highs be if you couldn't juxtapose a low? I don't know why, but I start to worry a little when everything is going great. It's like my mom always was quick to point out, "when's the other shoe going to drop?" No one chatises a person when they are celebrating a great outcome. So feeling down about a bad one seems natural to me.
Terri
 
True Terry...sigh
I just checked BRenda. She's in the laybox BLUE.
I guess that's it for her this year.

Well...I DO have 7 clutches planned for NEXT year!
 
Bloodred het anery, amel, stripe x fire het anery stripe
Sulphur x caramel motley het amel
granite stripe het amel x hypo blood
possible fire stripe x bloodred
possible blood stripe x bloodred
and the same normal multihet trio I bred this year.

Then if half poop out I will still have twice as much as I do THIS year!
 
You know, I was feeling pretty darned badly about Murphy kicking me in the shins this year.....
but I decided to count my blessings instead...

so far all the females are healthy and doing fine

there is always next year, and by then these snakes won't be "first timers"

One of the females, a bloodred girl named BRenda was going to help me prove out some possible blood stripes....and slugged out this year. I WAS going to use her this year and next...and sell her next year after egg laying. Now it seems I need her around another year...might end up keeping her after all!

One girl has yet to lay...I just "might" find fertile eggs someday this week!

I have 13-14 good eggs on the ground. At least half are expected to be normals and hypos but the owner of a decent petshop called me, and wants all I will sell him. The rest should be lavs and diffused with maybe one of 2 surprises thrown in regarding amel, anery or charcoal. I have never hatched a lav before, and I'm really looking forward to that!

What I have isn't much...but still worlds better than last year! (Not a single pippy).
 
What's the temp. on the warm side of your males' enclosures? I know too high of temps for them can cause infertility... I'm just unsure if it would result in slugs or just a lack of insemination all together (shoulder shrug).
 
Oh man. I feel so badly for everyone. I didn't know about the lava, either. That was one beautiful snake. THIS is why I held out for so long, not buying snakes I'd want to breed. It seems like such a miracle when everything goes right, much less you hit a 1:16 or 1:64...
 
But Nanci...when it's good, it's GREAT!!

I hatched out a granite stripe in 06, and I'm still on cloud 9 whenever I look at him!
I'm hoping that 09 is half of what 06 was :)
 
Wow, it's been a tough year for so many already.

I was feeling kind of crappy because I double clutched my anery lavender and then she was eggbound but made it. The eggs are looking iffy but I was just thrilled that she was OK. My next clutch had 5 dead in the eggs in a clutch of 17 so I again was feeling pretty crappy. My third clutch is almost done and the clump I thought was 18 eggs is really 20 eggs but I probably have 2 dead in the eggs again.

All in all though I can't complain and my thoughts are with those who have lost snakes. It is very frustrating to get slugs or lose eggs/hatchlings but I guess this is part of breeding.
 
Thats Sad!

Well, this year was my best breeding so far. The thing I did different was excersized every snake I planned to breed,each one swam for 20 minutes a day 2 days a week. Every female I bred layed a 100% fertal clutch and none of them had any issues with egg binding! The only reason I had the time to do it was work was slow. Now hopefully some of the eggs will start hatching any day!
 
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