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Bloodred Question...

DragonBoy

DragonBoy

Crazy Cornsnake Breeder
I have been reading with interest all the recent posts on the bloodred gene and have found myself getting more confused as the discussions have progressed.
Velvet recently hatched some bloodred ghosts which don't look red at all. I admit when it comes to genetics I confuse easily...so is there some way of explaining in terms I can understand?
Thanks
 
Bloodred is a term that is used for both coloration, and pattern. The bloodred corns are generally very red in color, but a corn with the bloodred gene in it won't necessarily have a red color. It takes on the pattern (also known as diffused) rather than the color.
 
Hi Dragonboy,

Bloodreds/Diffuseds are usually red in colour but as soon as you add other genes to the mix, this can change.

The ghost bloods are Bloodred + hypo + Anery...the anery "masks" the red colour, so therefore the snakes are greyish, the hypo reduces the amount of black pigment, so therefore they are lighter grey....

The bloodred gene makes the pattern diffuse, in otherwords, slowly disappear as the snake gets older, levels of diffusion can vary from snake to snake. Some will maintain some patterning, some will be virtually patternless as adults... :)

Hope this helps.
 
Thank you both for your answers. I recently purchased two with the blood red genes a female who is bloodred het anery and amel and a male het bloodred and possibly het hypo and lavender. They will be ready to breed next year I hope. It will be interesting to say the least.
Thanks again for all the help.
Scott
 
From that pair you should get 100% Bloodred babies. :)

They will be possibly het amel, anery, hypo and lavender.

Best of luck!
 
Velvet said:
From that pair you should get 100% Bloodred babies. :)

They will be possibly het amel, anery, hypo and lavender.

Best of luck!
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Not quite...

Bloodred het anery amel X normal het bloodred, poss het hypo lavender will produce 50% normal het bloodred and 50% bloodred, all poss het the other stuff.
 
Just out of curiosity has anyone introduced the bloodred gene into the carmel/butter color lines?
Butters are a personal favorite and the idea of a patternless butter with a bright yellow all over sounds thrilling...:D
 
The diffused genetics have been introduced into pretty much every of the common and relatively uncommon morphs out there.
 
DragonBoy said:
Just out of curiosity has anyone introduced the bloodred gene into the carmel/butter color lines?
Butters are a personal favorite and the idea of a patternless butter with a bright yellow all over sounds thrilling...:D
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I actually have a 2008 butter bloodred (aka Sulphur).
This year I am breeding a possible fire stripe to a butter het bloodred. A few of the babies should be amel bloodreds (fires) het for caramel and stripe.
Those babies bred together should produce fires, sulphurs, striped fires and striped sulphurs.

Even though the caramel gene mixed with bloodred appears to lack diffusion, my possible fire stripe is a bright patternless orange. I hope he passes that on!
 
Sulfur eh? Have to find a picture of that. It sounds wonderful...
I have a butter stripe female coming also in the same lot, so this could get interesting. I am sure I will have a lot more questions before this is all said and done. You also peaked my interest with the fires. The name alone sounds appealing.
Thanks Again
 
Susan said:
Not quite...

Bloodred het anery amel X normal het bloodred, poss het hypo lavender will produce 50% normal het bloodred and 50% bloodred, all poss het the other stuff.
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Oh hell, I misread the genes of the pair he had..for some reason I read that he had two bloods...lol

My bad!
 
DragonBoy said:
Just out of curiosity has anyone introduced the bloodred gene into the carmel/butter color lines?
Butters are a personal favorite and the idea of a patternless butter with a bright yellow all over sounds thrilling...:D
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This is my '08 caramel bloodred female.

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hey Meg don't feel bad...I went back to look at my invoice the two bloodreds are on and low and behold they are both female...guess I need to acquire a male somewhere that is about the same age. :D
 
Reduced head pattern, reduced side patterns are both moderately useful indicators if the genetic potential is there, at least until you have a chance to flip the snake over to look at the stomach. 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% of "bloodreds" have absolutely no belly checkers.
 
RobbiesCornField said:
Bloodred is a term that is used for both coloration, and pattern. The bloodred corns are generally very red in color, but a corn with the bloodred gene in it won't necessarily have a red color. It takes on the pattern (also known as diffused) rather than the color.
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I am pretty shure thats rite...
 
DragonBoy said:
The gray head is what helps identify this as being a blood red?
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Not entirely. That is only one indication. The confusion tends to be with the term "bloodred". Technically, the gene involved causes diffusion and the snake I posted should be called a diffuse caramel, not a bloodred caramel. The term "bloodred", as already mentioned, should be used only for those diffuse snakes that actually have the deep red coloration. However, training the general population to change their terminology is not that easy. Most of us understand that when someone uses the term "bloodred". they mean the diffuse gene. We tend to forget that we may be confusing those still learning all the cool facts about corn genetics.

What makes my diffuse caramel what it is is her genetics. I knew she was homozygous for diffuse/bloodred because of her lack of belly checks. The head pattern and side diffusion are just bonuses. Here is a photo of her belly. I've also posted some photos of 2 of her sisters. First is a caramel het diffuse. Notice that her head pattern is similar to that of a "bloodred", but her belly says she is not homozygous for the gene. Then is a normal diffuse. Her head pattern is not very "bloodred" in type, nor is she very diffuse on her sides, but her belly says she is homozygous diffuse. She won't end up looking like the bloodred variation as her coloration won't get that richly red (hopefully due to having some caramel gene influence), but she will still be a diffuse (although I'll call her a bloodred out of habit). Confusing, isn't it!
 
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Thanks Susan for the explanation regarding the belly checks. However this confuses me more since my motley line has a bare belly. I guess I have to pay greater attention to the heads of the various ones that hatch from these two females next year. Of course I need to find a bloodred male someplace for them to breed true.
 
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