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ShipYourReptiles - temp snake shipping halt

I'm one of the ones that just about refuses to use UPS for ANYTHING, Becky. When I am forced to use UPS (not for snakes) in a receiving manner - I never use it for sending - it seems like it is a surprise when things DO go right!

HOWEVER, I believe you are mistaking a problem with the SYR as everyone having a problem with UPS handling snakes. I won't use them (unless things change - and it looks dang well like they might be, sadly!), but I am NOT against them shipping reptiles. I am against a middle man like SYR being the "only one" that gets certified. It should be fair across the board with the shipper TGHE one and only one responsible for their mistakes.

KJ
 
Nanci said:
I'm not saying UPS shouldn't ship snakes. I'm saying unless they have a certification process to ensure that the shipper has been taught to ship safely I wouldn't trust many people to ship other than FedEx.
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I understand that Nanci and agree with you. It would most likely weed out the fly by night shipper that can make things harder for the rest of us.


KJUN said:
I'm one of the ones that just about refuses to use UPS for ANYTHING, Becky. When I am forced to use UPS (not for snakes) in a receiving manner - I never use it for sending - it seems like it is a surprise when things DO go right!

HOWEVER, I believe you are mistaking a problem with the SYR as everyone having a problem with UPS handling snakes. I won't use them (unless things change - and it looks dang well like they might be, sadly!), but I am NOT against them shipping reptiles. I am against a middle man like SYR being the "only one" that gets certified. It should be fair across the board with the shipper TGHE one and only one responsible for their mistakes.

KJ
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In that case, then why not start a "campaign" so to speak. Gather as many reptile breeders/keepers you possibly can to sign a petition of sorts asking UPS to make it across the board? Tell them how FedEx and has a certification process. With any luck, a few thousands herp folks can change how they do things and make a little competition for FedEx. It's just an idea. But we could all be doing what we have done with FedEx all along except saving customers money. :)
 
Well, after Repster fiasco I never did sign up for SYR, They did have lower rates than fed ex, I even had people ask me if I used SYR to try and get a better ship rate. But fed ex is just easier to deal with and have not failed me yet with any package I have sent through them.
What I wish could happen is if UPS could adopt a similar test package/ liability waiver procedure as fed ex to certify individuals. Then we'd have the competition for low rates without having to bring a third party in. SYR was not evil, they were just kind of like a middleman - a lot of people I would absolutely have trusted to buy from like Becky did use their service. It's too bad someone messed up if you ask me.
 
bekers71 said:
In that case, then why not start a "campaign" so to speak. Gather as many reptile breeders/keepers you possibly can to sign a petition of sorts asking UPS to make it across the board? Tell them how FedEx and has a certification process. With any luck, a few thousands herp folks can change how they do things and make a little competition for FedEx. It's just an idea. But we could all be doing what we have done with FedEx all along except saving customers money. :)
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...because as one that really has no intention of using UPS, it would be unethical for me to sign such a petition. I would sign one that said, "I think UPS should do this, but I have no intention right now of using said service." I just don't think UPS would be swayed by that line of argument.

I'd rather safety over saving a couple of dollars. ...and FedEx has in my experience a much better track record than UPS. I've been shipping snakes for well over a decade now (and well over 100 packages in many of those years). I started with UPS back when nobody shipped snakes openly, used airborne (and loved them until I had to stop because they were bought out by DHL and began to suck), and have used FedEx. The Ford analogy doesn't work here. I don't use UPS because they have used every opportunity I have given them to destroy my trust.

....oh, and I'm a Chrysler vehicle truck/jeep man, anyway!
 
I, too, wonder what exactly happened. If it was someone sending HOTS, I think they should be prosecuted and punished for their irresponsibility. With something like that, you're putting a UPS driver's life in danger if it got out.

I agree that it was a bad idea. I've never liked UPS, and I only ship my snakes via FedEx, even if UPS is cheaper.
 
Looks like this is thought to be (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/30/snake-box-shocks-seminole-ups-workers/) what happened. It's back from October but they think a grievance was filed that is just now taking effect. This per the ongoing thread on Fauna at http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179137&page=9


Another link to the story: http://www.venomousreptiles.org/forums/Experts/45931?page=1



I'm not saying this IS what happened, but it seems to be what some over there think it most likely could be.
 
Lovin2act said:
Looks like this is thought to be (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/oct/30/snake-box-shocks-seminole-ups-workers/) what happened. It's back from October but they think a grievance was filed that is just now taking effect. This per the ongoing thread on Fauna at http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179137&page=9


Another link to the story: http://www.venomousreptiles.org/forums/Experts/45931?page=1



I'm not saying this IS what happened, but it seems to be what some over there think it most likely could be.
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Dang if it is true and that is the offender I feel sorry for him. Reason being is the offender's name, telephone number, and website are up on a very public site that a lot of reptile people go to for classifieds.
 
Blue Apple Herps said:
I agree that it was a bad idea. I've never liked UPS, and I only ship my snakes via FedEx, even if UPS is cheaper.
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I think it's a good idea in theory, BUT you have to wonder, how is it that all of us schleps on this site are smart enough to know it's only a matter of time before they encounter a negative experience BUT the corporate suits didn't see it coming. Not only does FedEx forces you to be gain knowledge to ship properly, they also rule out the bing-bongs that are not going to take the time or effort to go through an approval process.

I have shipped using SYR twice and to be honest, had a positive experience both times. I'm not a UPS hater and would use them again but prefer FedEx.
 
CrousesCorns said:
Dang if it is true and that is the offender I feel sorry for him. Reason being is the offender's name, telephone number, and website are up on a very public site that a lot of reptile people go to for classifieds.
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Not me. If it's true, the IMHO the offender DESERVES to have his name and website publicized. If his phone number is unlisted then that's too much, but if it's available for business purposes then that's fair game as well.

I would feel sorry for an innocent person placed in this position. I also feel sorry for the snake.
 
I didn't mean it like that. I hope he gets what he deserves. I meant that I feel for him since 100's or 1000's of calls might be coming his way and his business will be destroyed. It says he's been doing reptile related stuff for 30 years and has a reptile shop for 15 years of that.

He should have known better!!!
 
CrousesCorns said:
I didn't mean it like that. I hope he gets what he deserves. I meant that I feel for him since 100's or 1000's of calls might be coming his way and his business will be destroyed. It says he's been doing reptile related stuff for 30 years and has a reptile shop for 15 years of that.

He should have known better!!!
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Indeed he should!

I feel for him too, but.....some will call this a harsh position, but I believe that there's no way to have done this accidentally. If the business is run this way, the person in question ought to be out of business. People who do things illegally - this animal isn't even permitted in the state, according to what I'm reading, let alone the improper packing - do nothing good for the business or herp community. Do it right or stay out. Don't mess up the pasture for the rest of the herd!

Responsible breeders/owners/shippers are constantly fighting against an irresponsible, undeserved public image of the herp hobby. I resent this behaviour for the sake of all of us who try to do it right.
 
CrousesCorns said:
He should have known better!!!
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But where do you draw the line on venomous? He shipped a false water cobra which is technically venomous though not very dangerous to humans but so are hognoses and garders but those get shipped all of the time.

More than likely the shipper just did not conceder the animal to venomous in the way of say rattlesnakes or copperheads and made a mistake.
 
Did anyone notice in the article where it says fedex doesn't ship snakes? If that were the case how is it hundreds of people each year are certified and ship snakes on a daily basis through fedex?
 
Im not sure if there is a post about this already but I know I have been curious. Maybe make a sticky or something on what to do to go about getting FedEx certified so more people are aware and have it as an option?
 
I made my FedEx certification post really easy to find by tagging it. Any search should pull it up. Maybe I should move it to my forum.
 
bekers71 said:
I mean seriously, FedEx keeps raising their rates and it's getting ridiculous. But hey, they can do that because...oh yeah, they have no competitor that allows shipping of reptiles. So they can rip us off any time they chose.
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I doubt FedEx raises their rates to target the snake shippers. I have another FedEx account for shipping and receiving woodworking supplies and they charge the same rates as my certified snake shipping account.
 
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