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Are we killing the future market?

ghosthousecorns said:
I have been around a long time and never "seen" it... If you want to make a serious allegation against a well respected breeder it would behoove you to at least be able to back it up. You brought it up, so it's on you to prove it... you do the search and find it..
otherwise I call BS!
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I got better things to do with my time, Why dont you ask RZ I'm sure he remembers the statment
 
Vinman said:
Carol like I said before you are a good breeder I would have no problem sending you a customer. I would know thay would be treated right. My only beef with you is the post where Rich was saying how much would be selling cinder hatchlings for and you said that you were going to undersell him. I forgot the prices both of you quoted. I cant speck for Rich But I would have done the same as Rich. It take a lot of balls to do that on his forum Take it from Mr. tastless,and uncouth himself, that was Low class move. Belive me you hurt both of you . Like I said it hurt the project. Other than that I have nothing bad to say.
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You know what a low class move is? Making accusations and then when asked for proof saying you have better things to do. If you don't want to back it up, don't make the accusation.

I could pretty much say everything about you as you've said about me and I have the same amount of proof. Think about that. What would this forum be if that's all people did.

I've never meant to undercut Rich Z, nor have I ever stated that is my intention. I probably have said that my prices may be a little lower, as they should be, since I don't have as big as a rep as Rich. My Cinder prices have never been signifigantly lower than his. My need to pay the bills is much stronger than any want to undercut someone out of spite. Especially if it's against someone I have nothing against. :idea:

Talk about someone hurting your own business. If you can twist the truth about someone you've never dealt with and say such unfounded nasty things, imagine what you'd come up with against someone who actually did business with you if, heaven forbid, the deal did not go smooth. I'd definitely be scared to do business with you.
 
carol I just aint goint to waste my time looking for the thread. twisting no thuth . I stand behind my words I also know drizz seen it to or else he would have called me out on it read post 67
 
Ok I went to look for proff I cant arcrive anything before late 07. So you ask for proff and there is on recored before 2007. Sorry that dont cut it . You cleary under cut him in price it was a attack on him and a low class move on your part
 
Vin, bro... chill. I generally like you; you have a wacky attitude about some things, and you bring up points I appreciate. But C'mon! I cant even start to respond to the last four pages in this thread. And besides, you still haven't accepted my friend invitation.
 
I have a whole bunch of cinders left over in the campfire outside. If anyone wants them and can figure out how to get them before they go out are use up all the fuel and turn to ash, they are welcome to them. Free. How's that for undercutting? You just have to get them before I turn the hose on and put out all the flames.
 
carol said:
If this were so "clear" you'd have a lot more to back up your claim beside a post made before 2007.
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Like I said before you are asking for a post as proff when you know better that there is no archive :dancer::dancer::dancer: I know what I read that day. I was PMed, emailed and called on the phone by Carlos L. You telling Rich he can charge X amount of dollars because you were going to sell them for X amount of dollars. If I'm not mistaken it was a 500 cut in price. As I said It was farther back that late 07. Carlos was still in the hobby. I cant remember it word for word but it went something like I said . I remember talking about with other people on this site in privet. I also remember talking to Rich Z. about the matter on the phone Belive you me the bottom line was you under cut him cleary with a price. There was no mistaking anything about what you said. You can say what you want , I know what you said and ment. I remember not to trust you with a cutting edge project. Also I'm known for telling it like it is . My reptation is of totally honest, blunt and truthful and when I'm wrong I'm wrong . I will not admit to being wrong when I know the truth even if it means me getting in trouble.
 
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Vinman said:
I also know drizz seen it to or else he would have called me out on it read post 67
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Do NOT, I repeat DO NOT put words in my mouth. I backed up Carol, plain and simple. Prove your poison. As usual, the all-knowing Vinster refuses, flat out refuses, to answer any question or offer any piece of proof to back up his words. Go back to feeding your snakes chicken.

Remember this quote:
Vinman said:
I wont be posting nothing but for sale adds and pic's of my stock and a little story about the stock. I wont respond to the threads though (too bad we cant lock the thread like we used to)
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Follow it. You've already proven that your NOT a man of your own word.

Otherwise, directly answer the following questions:
1. What are the specific criteria that dictates who has the """honor""" of purchasing your snakes?
2. How do you specifically enforce and control what someone you've sold a snake to does with it? Kneecaps?
3. Who is on your "Do Not Sell To" list, what are the exact, specific criteria for that list, and what are the names of these """other breeders""" that you convene with at shows that follow the same list?
4. What is the exact magic number of Lavender Bloodreds that the market can bear at fair market value, and how many of those will I be allowed to produce if I am to do "my part" and control the market? Oh, yeah, and what is that fair market value that I must charge?

If you refuse to answer these questions specifically (once again) then you have proven what I have known all along. :shrugs:

D80
 
 
Thanks Brent! It's no secret that Rich and I have not always seen eye to eye but that's not something that I believe either one of us carries a torch for. It most definitely has nothing to do with the price of beans, or Cinders. :)
 
Drizzt80 said:
Here you go ya lazy New Yorker . . . dig to your hearts content:

Here's every thread (20+ replies) containing the word Cinder at this site. First thread? April 28, 2006.


Here's every thread (20+ replies) containing the word AneryC at this site. First thread? July 25, 2005.

Here's every thread (10+ replies) containing the word Ashy at this site. First relative thread? July 7th, 2008.

Fetch your proof. Good luck. Put up or shut up.


I'm going to chech them out . I like to know how you did this I tried to find anyting on cinders . Are you sure these all the threads on cinders
D80
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I'm going to chech them out . I like to know how you did this I tried to find anyting on cinders . Are you sure these all the threads on cinders
 
Vinman said:
I like to know how you did this I tried to find anyting on cinders.
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It's a very guarded secret that only the right people who are on the "list" have access to. What? You're not on the list? Bummer, and here I am without permission to share the information with you. I'll get back to you after the secret group of information holders meets on the 5th Tuesday in March. Sorry, that's just the way it has to be. We can't be letting tooooooo much information getting out there running loose in the general public ya know!

D80

PS. You have once again (not-so)expertly avoided and not answered my VERY specific questions. Typical.
 
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