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Calls to boycott Arizona are spreading like a virus

Illegals place economic strain on States whose budgets are already strained. Illegals can't pay taxes they don't have SS #'s, can't get legal insurance so they drain State insurance funds, clog up already crowded jails, and raise already high crime rates- they are a burden.
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Racial profiling won't solve the problem. I don't disagree that there is economic strain caused by the vast number of illegals in the U.S. But immigration reform is at a stand still, as are many issues that are causing economic burdens as long as both parties can't sit down and address the issues.

clog up already crowded jails
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but does this law not enable Arizona to put all caught illegals into jail? Does that not just add to the financial burden? At least Joe Arpeio went on Larry King Live tonight and stated just that. They will toss everyone in jail that is apprehended and found to be in the U.S. illegally. Doesn't that also override Federal juristiction? I believe that is about to be challenged in court.

All we can do is send them home to countries who don't punish them for leaving since it eases their budgets when their gone, and therefore they come right back.
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Mexico, and many countries don't have laws prohibiting people from leaving the country. The Cold War ended in case nobody told you. As far as many of them returning, I guess they are hoping for their piece of the American dream. Doesn't make it right, but many of them come from impoverished regions. I think if they were making ends meet in their own country, and able to provide for their families, they would probably remain. Other than breaking immigration laws, many of them are not criminals, they are just looking for a better life. As for those who are the criminal element, certainly they should be detained and tougher measures taken to prevent them from returning. But don't paint all illegals as equal.

It's not Arizona's fault Mexico happens to be the country they border with or that the bulk of the illegals there happen to be from Mexico- it's kinda a no brainer yes the law targets the population most likely to be breaking the law- duh!
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Targets is the key word here. Those same targets are on the backs of people of hispanic origin or Mexicans that have entered the country legally and are now subject to prove they belong in the U.S. anytime they have legal occasion (very vague perameters) to have contact with law enforcement. Duh!

I propose we ship all of our illegals to Canada and then your country can figure out how to get them to come in legally- would that work for you?
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Canada has it's own immigration issues. We still have illegals here who dodged the Vietnam war. No skin off my backside.

I don't think anywhere did I declare support for illegal immigration. I think if illegals are caught, they should be deported if grounds support such action. Your country and my country have laws provided for such action. Immigration in Canada is in the hands of the federal government however.
 
"Forgive me if I'm wrong, but does this law not enable Arizona to put all caught illegals into jail? Does that not just add to the financial burden? At least Joe Arpeio went on Larry King Live tonight and stated just that. They will toss everyone in jail that is apprehended and found to be in the U.S. illegally. Doesn't that also override Federal juristiction? I believe that is about to be challenged in court".

Thats what I said. Illegal immigrants clog up already crowded jails, but they can only hold them for so long before they have to pay thousands to deport them hence added financial burden for the States.

"Mexico, and many countries don't have laws prohibiting people from leaving the country. The Cold War ended in case nobody told you. As far as many of them returning, I guess they are hoping for their piece of the American dream. Doesn't make it right, but many of them come from impoverished regions. I think if they were making ends meet in their own country, and able to provide for their families, they would probably remain. Other than breaking immigration laws, many of them are not criminals, they are just looking for a better life. As for those who are the criminal element, certainly they should be detained and tougher measures taken to prevent them from returning. But don't paint all illegals as equal".

Again you stated what I said- I'm beginning to think you agree with me;) When an illegal is detained for entering our country illegally they are subject to punishment in their country because their not American citizens and therefore not subject to our law as we are. However, their country has no issue with them coming here illegally so instead of them being punished they are freed to hop our border again. If I break the law I will be punished- it doesn't work the same way when your not a citizen.

I have never stated all illegals are created equally. My family came here legally to live the American dream because of economic strains overseas, but the key word is LEGALLY. They didn't feel just because it was hard to make ends meat in Italy they were entitled to come here the moment they wanted. They filed their paperwork, jumped the hoops, and waited for that dream so when they got here it was genuinely their's. Yes it took years, but their patience paid off and because they did it the right way no one can take that from them.

"Targets is the key word here. Those same targets are on the backs of people of hispanic origin or Mexicans that have entered the country legally and are now subject to prove they belong in the U.S. anytime they have legal occasion (very vague perameters) to have contact with law enforcement. Duh!"

Wow man we agree again. Yes, the key word is target just like when I travel abroad and am stopped and asked for my passport, pulled over and asked for my licence and registration, or carded for my cigarettes and beer. I am targeted because I either look like a visitor, am speeding or breaking other road laws, or look too young to purchase adult only items. I am targeted to make sure these laws are being followed and I am okay with that. Legal immigrants have driver licences and/or State ID's they are required by law to carry just like me. We're not asking them to follow a law we don't have to follow ourselves. I can be asked at any time for my identification by a police officer so whats the argument?

"Canada has it's own immigration issues. We still have illegals here who dodged the Vietnam war. No skin off my backside".

And approximately how many is that we're pushing 20 million? You can not seriously compare Canada's immigration problem with the US's- mountain meet mole hill:)
 
I feel like after presenting facts people just drop it, so I don't know if I should consider that as silent acceptance or complete dismissal of my post. Are my points dismissible or too hard to rebut?
 
wade said:
Haven't they been rebutted several times. This horse is dead.
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Actually, they haven't. I get your point as far as racial profiling and the cops doing they job and "searching in the right places," but I presented other points that were never contested or agreed with (my answers to danielle, Outcast, tsst, Brent, are all examples of that).

I just hope my knowledge on the immigration system was somewhat useful for people reading this thread. Like I said before, real life is not as simple as some Americans think. Ignorance is bliss.

But you are right... This horse is dead. Now let me go check if the Facebook page pro-boycott already reached 1 million followers. :dancer:
 
I for one am gonna make a point to do more business with companies in Arizona as my way to boycott the boycotters :nyah:
 
jpccusa said:
Actually, they haven't. I get your point as far as racial profiling and the cops doing they job and "searching in the right places," but I presented other points that were never contested or agreed with (my answers to danielle, Outcast, tsst, Brent, are all examples of that).

I just hope my knowledge on the immigration system was somewhat useful for people reading this thread. Like I said before, real life is not as simple as some Americans think. Ignorance is bliss.

But you are right... This horse is dead. Now let me go check if the Facebook page pro-boycott already reached 1 million followers. :dancer:
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I stated what I felt, You stated what you felt. I did not feel any farther need to continue debating. You have your mind made up about it and so do I. We can agree to disagree.
 
A poll published by the Angus Reid Global Monitor group Thursday reported that roughly 71 percent of 1,002 American adults polled backed the Arizona law.
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jpccusa said:
I feel like after presenting facts people just drop it, so I don't know if I should consider that as silent acceptance or complete dismissal of my post. Are my points dismissible or too hard to rebut?
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jpccusa said:
Actually, they haven't. I get your point as far as racial profiling and the cops doing they job and "searching in the right places," but I presented other points that were never contested or agreed with (my answers to danielle, Outcast, tsst, Brent, are all examples of that).

I just hope my knowledge on the immigration system was somewhat useful for people reading this thread. Like I said before, real life is not as simple as some Americans think. Ignorance is bliss.

But you are right... This horse is dead. Now let me go check if the Facebook page pro-boycott already reached 1 million followers. :dancer:
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Which posts would you like a response to? I will do my best to reply.
 
As we speak, they're further refining the language of the bill to FURTHER help alleviate any concerns about people being stopped SOLELY for appearances sake.

As I mentioned before... much ado about nothing...
 
LOL. If you only saw the way I look as I type... My posted words contain NONE of the expletives and gestures that I say and make WHILE posting.

J/K... I try... LOL.
 
controversial new Arizona law that requires police to check the legal status of people they suspect of being illegal immigrants
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I was just reading an article about the planed demonstration in LA and came to this comment. It just struck me as so simplistic. Imagine a law that requires police to check people they suspect of doing something illegal. No wonder everyone is up in arms.
 
Yeah I am really feeling embarrassed to live next door to Los Angeles due to this utter nonsense from people.
 
tsst said:
Which posts would you like a response to? I will do my best to reply.
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Thanks for the offer Tsst, but I guess if it was not important then it is much less important now that the horse has been declared dead. :)

Like Outcast said, we can agree to disagree. I will be proudly living next door to Los Angeles, where more than 100,000 people are expected to march tomorrow, and you guys keep proudly living wherever you live. That is the reason why we have blue and red states. :cheers:

And like I said, ignorance is bliss, but in case someone dare to know, some good and concise information about immigration can be found here and here (2 parts article). :flames:
 
If you want to see people really get upset, wait until the Californian start trying to sneak into other states. Nobody is going to stand for that.
 
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