Fauna vs. CS.com

[Joejr14]

This topic has now come up on this website, as well as the BOI, so I figured I'd get everyone's opinion on this.

This will be an open poll, so people can see how you vote. Let's also be civil about this matter, this isn't personal!

 

[The Nothing]

this thread, IMO, if F'n rediculous

guess I should shut down my forum because there's another forum out there that covers the same stuff...

wtf?!?

 

[Joejr14]

this thread, IMO, if F'n rediculous

guess I should shut down my forum because there's another forum out there that covers the same stuff...

wtf?!?

Well, when there's hardly any traffic or posts, then what's the point in it being open? Rich has discussed this himself, so I don't see the problem in asking it to the members of the forum. You also need to remember that Rich owns both cs.com and Fauna.com.

Can anyone argue that there is a better cornsnakes website out there? There's nothing that even compares, so why not send them all here? That's the point of my poll, but I guess I was ridiculous to even think we could have a nice discussion before someone flipped out and questioned the thread.

 

[CARattler40]

Well said

Well, when there's hardly any traffic or posts, then what's the point in it being open? Rich has discussed this himself, so I don't see the problem in asking it to the members of the forum. You also need to remember that Rich owns both cs.com and Fauna.com.

Can anyone argue that there is a better cornsnakes website out there? There's nothing that even compares, so why not send them all here?

Agreed with the above post. What's the point of Rich running 2 separate corn snake forums? The Fauna Corn snake forum's essentially a personal forum for the moderator, and there are maybe 5 active members, at least 2 of which are already members over here. Compare one to the other and it's obvious CS.com is the superior, as it's not just one measly forum but an entire site of different forums and sections with as many posts per section as the entire Fauna Corn snake forum.

 

[Rich Z]

Take a real wild guess about who among you has absolutely any say in this matter........

Are you seriously suggesting that I just leave a hole over on FC concerning Cornsnakes?

Seriously folks, that decision is not subject to discussion nor open for debate at all. No one is forcing YOU to go over there, and I am certainly not going to FORCE anyone over there to come HERE. If anyone wants to pit one site against the other, guess which one brings home more bacon then the other? Quite honestly, if it weren't for the fact that I started THIS forum first (because it's ancestor was the forum I ran on my SerpenCo website) THIS forum would be part of FaunaClassifieds. It would certainly have simplified things for me.

So Joe, instead of spending your time on this concerning FC, why don't you just go to all of the other websites out there and request them to remove THEIR cornsnake forums as well. After all, your same logic should apply to their sites as well, right? Let me know what they tell you. Suitably censored, of course............

Your poll is going to accomplish exactly nothing at all, except to maybe get some people upset, so what is your point? I have some people over on FC trying hard to get more participation in that forum, so why the hell do you see the need to try to torpedo their efforts? Do you seriously think I am going to look at this poll, see 20 people agree with you, and remove that forum over on FC? Get real, please. That is not your call (nor anyone else's either) to make.

 

[jazzgeek]

Joe, consider yourself pwnd. Big time.

I don't spend any time on the fauna forum, and probably won't. But this poll was so thinly veiled, it was transparent.

regards,
jazz

"It's not personal, Sonny. It's business." -- Michael Corleone

 

[Joejr14]

I have to say I'm quite surprised with your post, Rich. From your response, it seems that I've touched some personal nerve that was totally out of bounds for discussion, which I've never seen before. I cannot recall one topic that has come up on these boards that you have shot down, which it appears you have here.

Let me just address a few things here and then I'll bow out of the conversation and I guess the thread can die, or be locked or deleted or whatever.

Take a real wild guess about who among you has absolutely any say in this matter........

The intent of the post and poll was to see the general opinion of the cs.com members in regards to the Fauna cornsnakes forum being open or closed and replaced with a link here. I certainly wasn't suggesting that I had any say in the matter.

Are you seriously suggesting that I just leave a hole over on FC concerning Cornsnakes?

Quite honestly, yes. There are so many forums on Fauna that people just don't use. Between skinks, birds, rosy boas, etc---many of these forum's first page have dates that go back to the middle of 2005! I guess I'm just asking at what point is it worthwhile for a forum like that to be open, especially when there's another one that clearly has much more activity? I know you wouldn't just shut people out like that, but do you not think that's a fair question for discussion? If I was running a forum that had been up for 3 years and had 3 pages of posts I believe I would kill the forum.

Seriously folks, that decision is not subject to discussion nor open for debate at all. No one is forcing YOU to go over there, and I am certainly not going to FORCE anyone over there to come HERE. If anyone wants to pit one site against the other, guess which one brings home more bacon then the other? Quite honestly, if it weren't for the fact that I started THIS forum first (because it's ancestor was the forum I ran on my SerpenCo website) THIS forum would be part of FaunaClassifieds. It would certainly have simplified things for me.

I apologize, and like I said, I wasn't aware this was the case. I know you tossed around the very idea of this last year and I wasn't under the impression that the topic wasn't open for discussion.

So Joe, instead of spending your time on this concerning FC, why don't you just go to all of the other websites out there and request them to remove THEIR cornsnake forums as well. After all, your same logic should apply to their sites as well, right? Let me know what they tell you. Suitably censored, of course............

I frequent other forums, including the one on Fauna but quite frankly nothing even holds a candle to this website. Sure, I can go Reptilerooms.com, or Reptileforums.com, but you know what---they're lame. There is no activitiy and people have no idea what they're talking about. The advice given is terrible, so why even bother? They have 50 members who probably have no idea about this forum. When given the choice of taking advice from random hobbyists, or from yourself, Kathy and Don, what is going to be the logical choice? Are those forum owners going to shut down their website because cornsnakes.com exists, well of course not. The same logic would apply if not for the fact that you own both FC and CS.

Your poll is going to accomplish exactly nothing at all, except to maybe get some people upset, so what is your point? I have some people over on FC trying hard to get more participation in that forum, so why the hell do you see the need to try to torpedo their efforts? Do you seriously think I am going to look at this poll, see 20 people agree with you, and remove that forum over on FC? Get real, please. That is not your call (nor anyone else's either) to make.

People are already clearly upset that some members think the Fauna forum is pointless, and it's been brought up out of context on the BOI and in several threads and in chat. While no particular thread might have been devoted to it, the discussion does go on.

For example: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32163

This has been discussed, and a few members seemed to think leaving a hole over there was not only a viable option, but the best one. Clearly it is your call, and nobody here, myself especially, is trying to sway you to make that decison. I could care less if that forum stays or goes, but I am curious to see what the other members here think of it. Nobody is trying to make that call, but I really don't see the harm in discussing the topic.

 

[DAND]

Well, when there's hardly any traffic or posts, then what's the point in it being open?

Can anyone argue that there is a better cornsnakes website out there? There's nothing that even compares, so why not send them all here? That's the point of my poll, but I guess I was ridiculous to even think we could have a nice discussion before someone flipped out and questioned the thread.

Then why don't you make 6+ posts a day there like you do here and help the participation and members there instead of trying to instigate the shut down of the forum there? You may not realize that the majority of people do NOT keep just Corns and having to go to another site to discuss one aspect of ones collection would deter participation altogether.

Heck, since you want to go to extremes why don't I? Maybe Rich should shut down this site. Why have a site that is solely on one subject when it could be consolidated into his other site where there are more members and participation would surely increase without this site. He wouldn't be spread as thin having all his eggs in one basket.

 

[CornCrazy]

I only think it should be closed if it becomes a burden to Rich. I personally do not visit Fauna nearly as much as I visit here, but that's my choice. Other people have the right to choose Fauna if they prefer it. The bottom line is...if Rich is fine with it being open and it's not a burden to him, then it should be left alone.

 

[Traci1]

I only think it should be closed if it becomes a burden to Rich. I personally do not visit Fauna nearly as much as I visit here, but that's my choice. Other people have the right to choose Fauna if they prefer it. The bottom line is...if Rich is fine with it being open and it's not a burden to him, then it should be left alone.

Very well put, and I agree. I also want to add that in my opinion, THIS site is the best forum to go to for corn snakes. While I am a member of some other reptile-related forums, I personally do not have the time to contribute to other corn snake forums as much as I do this one. But other people might feel different.

 

[Drizzt80]

People are already clearly upset that some members think the Fauna forum is pointless, and it's been brought up out of context on the BOI and in several threads and in chat. While no particular thread might have been devoted to it, the discussion does go on.

I may have taken the content of this paragraph wrong, but my reaction is that if there are people upset that there is a cornsnake forum on Fauna . . . they need to get a life and not take themselves so seriously. Walk away. Personally, this seems like another KS vs. Fauna debate only it's Fauna vs. CS instead.

(I'm not talking directly to you Joe, but) Do your thing. Worry about yourself, and be happy. What's the headache worth worrying where others go to chat about corns . . . it is just snakes after all (and you're hanging out at the best site already). I gave up on being flabbergasted about people wanting to hang out at KS a loooong time ago. Not worth my time or effort. I even peek in about once in a blue moon just to remind myself how ridiculous it is. With Fauna, I peek in about once a week and contribute if necessary. As a paid contributor at Fauna (as well as here), I intrinsically feel it's a duty to add to the discussion over there if it's warranted. :shrugs:

D80

PS. I abstained from voting.

 

[Roy Munson]

I applaud what Stephanie and Ron have been doing in their respective Fauna forums (Corns; Ratsnakes). Originally, I didn't think that replacing the corn forum there with a link to this one would leave a hole. In fact, I thought that this would benefit corn enthusiasts there. But it's more complicated than that.

Fauna is its own community, and there are people in that community who advertise corns there, even if it's not the focus of their breeding/sales efforts. Could replacing the Fauna corn forum with a link to this one hurt corn sales for those selling on Fauna? Maybe. When I'm ready to start selling some snakes, I hope that the photos I've posted of my beautiful snakes here on cs.com will attract potential buyers. I would be unhappy if I was restricted to selling on Fauna, where I have not been very active. So I can see how Fauna members might not appreciate being restricted to discussing or posting photos of corns here, while they're attempting to sell there. Some may view the 'For Sale' forum here as redundant, when Fauna already has corn classifieds. I would be very disappointed if the 'For Sale' forum here was replaced by a link to Fauna's corn classifieds.

Also, on the very top of the front page of Fauna's corn snake forum is a sponsored link to this one. A real corn enthusiast should have probably found this site by now anyway.

I've only been thinking about the sales aspect of this question for a very short time, so forgive me if I appear to contradict any earlier comments I may have made elsewhere. I'm allowed to change my mind.

 

[cowboyman13]

I applaud what Stephanie and Ron have been doing in their respective Fauna forums (Corns; Ratsnakes). Originally, I didn't think that replacing the corn forum there with a link to this one would leave a hole. In fact, I thought that this would benefit corn enthusiasts there. But it's more complicated than that.

Fauna is its own community, and there are people in that community who advertise corns there, even if it's not the focus of their breeding/sales efforts. Could replacing the Fauna corn forum with a link to this one hurt corn sales for those selling on Fauna? Maybe. When I'm ready to start selling some snakes, I hope that the photos I've posted of my beautiful snakes here on cs.com will attract potential buyers. I would be unhappy if I was restricted to selling on Fauna, where I have not been very active. So I can see how Fauna members might not appreciate being restricted to discussing or posting photos of corns here, while they're attempting to sell there. Some may view the 'For Sale' forum here as redundant, when Fauna already has corn classifieds. I would be very disappointed if the 'For Sale' forum here was replaced by a link to Fauna's corn classifieds.

Also, on the very top of the front page of Fauna's corn snake forum is a sponsored link to this one. A real corn enthusiast should have probably found this site by now anyway.

I've only been thinking about the sales aspect of this question for a very short time, so forgive me if I appear to contradict any earlier comments I may have made elsewhere. I'm allowed to change my mind.

Well said.

 

[Serpwidgets]

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[carol]

Well said Brent, I wish I could rep ya for that one! However, I guess I don't "spread it around" enough.

 

[Joker]

Sorry Joe but Im going on the side of this whole thread is pointless! I mean really, you already have one corn.....





So why buy another?

This should just be left alone and let the users decide where they want to lurk and post.


Josh

 

[Roy Munson]

I don't understand why Joe's so evil just because he's soliciting opinions. And if this thread is pointless, then so what? Three quarters of the threads here are pointless. This thread has been more interesting than the myriad "give me answers cuz I'm too lazy to do my own research" threads opened here every bleeping day (imho).

 

[Serpwidgets]

I don't think this thread is relevant here, because that issue is Rich's to decide, and a poll about it (if he were soliciting relevant opinions) belongs on Fauna if anywhere.

I don't see any reason for me to post in a cornsnake forum on Fauna, since there's is already a well-established corn forum here with zillions more users and posts.

Just like I don't see any point in establishing a BOI on this board, since the Fauna BOI already serves that purpose and is very well-established.

That is, Fauna has its purpose, Cornsnakes.com has its purpose. They both serve them well, and I am happy to contribute to both boards every year. There's no point in fixing what ain't broken.

Those are simply my opinions. Holding such an opinion doesn't make me "vehemently opposed to Fauna" or any such ridiculous characterization. I resent attempts to paint CS members as such, in an attempt to gain sympathy and/or generate publicity. I also think it's totally lame to try to start a war between two communities over such a petty issue.

 

[Joker]

I don't understand why Joe's so evil just because he's soliciting opinions. And if this thread is pointless, then so what? Three quarters of the threads here are pointless. This thread has been more interesting than the myriad "give me answers cuz I'm too lazy to do my own research" threads opened here every bleeping day (imho).

IMO this thread is like Asking Jeff Ronne to shut his forums down and simply put up a link to Fauna because because they or any other site has a Boa Section, or vice versa. Joe is not evil at all. And the debate is INTERESTING, but all in the same everyones opinion is not gonna effect what Rich does. It goes into any thread you may have seen on Live VS Frozen and Can I house my corns together? People are going to do whatever they want. Thats a fact of life. Personally I am not a fan of the Viciousness that seems to happen regularly on Fauna, so I CHOOSE not to post there.


Josh

 

[lefty_mussolini]

I don't understand why Joe's so evil just because he's soliciting opinions. And if this thread is pointless, then so what? Three quarters of the threads here are pointless. This thread has been more interesting than the myriad "give me answers cuz I'm too lazy to do my own research" threads opened here every bleeping day (imho).

I'm inclined to agree.
Though I may not agree with shutting down fauna's Corn Snake Forum (I have my reasons) I don't think that Joe posting this thread is really doing any harm. This is, afterall, a discussion forum right?