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I know this isn't a corn... but...

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Looks good, even in blue!

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I measured the snake out around 4'3" give or take a few inches. Here I am holding the animal for size reference. I'm about 6'1" 220lbs. The snake being on the thin side makes it look tiny in the photos. Also, sorry about the watermarks, but I've too many times have had photos stolen, misrepresented, and even people contacting me with my own photos trying to sell me animals they don't have.​
 
I really hope that is a heritable trait, it is an amazing animal. Big congrats on it. Oh can we breed it to one of our Ky. calicos lol
 
insomniac101 said:
How is his temperament?
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Temperment is very laid back, calm, easy to handle. I hope to breed it to like-temperment animals. It seems that the more "Texas" rat snakes in this area tend to have more attitude where the more "black" rat snake trait animals tend to be very laid back to the point where you can pick them up out the wild with no worries of them biting.
 
crotalis40741 said:
Oh can we breed it to one of our Ky. calicos
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I don't see why not. I have a hunch that one of the traits will "override" the other and you might not get experssion of both, even if the animal is double homozygous recessive. Who knows... It could also produce a "calico" with large white blotches, or anything in between.

If you're serious about breeding it into a calico line, just be sure to get me a female in time for quarantine before next years breeding season.
 
SnakesAndStuff said:
Also, sorry about the watermarks, but I've too many times have had photos stolen, misrepresented, and even people contacting me with my own photos trying to sell me animals they don't have.[/center]
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How could they think of stealing such a magnificent beard? :rofl:

Lovely snake, I've always been really interested in spotty and blotchy creatures. Extra neat that it is so laid back, that's always a good trait for domestic snakes!
 
Sorry if I'm repeating someone, but those keeled scales pretty much say black rat to me. My black rat female feels so much different in my hands than my corns do so I know what you mean about the 'feel.' Anyway, how lucky you are! I'd flip my **** if I found something like that!
 
Weda737 said:
Anyway, how lucky you are! I'd flip my **** if I found something like that!
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This is one of those times where truth is stranger than fiction. I did not catch the animal. One of my friends did. Twice.

He caught it, took a photo, let it go. He then sent me a photo and told me about it and when I asked where it was he informed me he had let it go about 10 minutes previous.. .He went to where he let it go and could not find it. A few days later he caught it again in his yard, just out in the open, near his bird houses. He called me again and asked me if I'd like it. That is part of the reason why this animal is definitely not for sale (outside of it technically being a native animal, etc. it is legal to posess, but not sale)... It was a gift from a friend. Being that the snake was thin, it was hanging out in the open, and has numerous scars I figured it was ethically acceptable to remove the snake from the wild population and try to propogate it in captivity.
 
An absolutely beautiful animal, whether it be a rat snake, corn snake, hybrid, or alien. I hope you can propagate the gene successfully, and I also hope the snake thrives for you. A snake like that is a lucky find. Put me in line for some babies!
 
I love the story to this guy, I think he must have needed your help. Some things are just meant to happen. Seriously, no kidding, put me down for one of his kids too if he thrives and propagates for you. Knock on wood.
 
It is interesting how all these W/C "palmetto/calicoish" rat snakes are popping up in the last couple years. And the fact that they manage to make it to such good size in the wild is crazy, since they are pretty noticeable.
 
You should probably get a fecal to your vet, if you haven't already. He's gotta be crawling with parasites.
 
Nanci said:
You should probably get a fecal to your vet, if you haven't already. He's gotta be crawling with parasites.
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I have a pretty strong background in microscopy, and I have spent years doing microscocopy work with herps. You'd probably be quite surprised how "clean" some wild caught animals are. I've had many wild caught animals over the years with very little to no parasite load. As long as the animal is not stressed and is kept in good conditions it is much more important to get an animal feeding and settled in than it is to stress them out and shove them full of meds. In fact I've known of animals to actually have more damage than good done to them by dosing them with meds and disrupting the intestinal fauna of the snake.
 
Nanci said:
Except you said he's thin...
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Yes, the snake is on the thin side of normal but no where near crashing. Have no worries, I'll be sifting through this snake's poop soon enough. Often times when I find a snake with heavy parasite loads they'll have mis-migrated parasites found subcutaneously. There's really no reason to force a fecal from the snake and stress it out, and it has eaten 2 smallish rats (I don't like to feed animals especially large food items, especially when they're settling in, too large of a meal can stress an animal) in the last week, so I'll just wait until then.
 
2ndGenSnakeDude said:
It is interesting how all these W/C "palmetto/calicoish" rat snakes are popping up in the last couple years. And the fact that they manage to make it to such good size in the wild is crazy, since they are pretty noticeable.
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I have a feeling the animals have been around all along (in limited numbers mind you), however with the increased connectivity of humans these animals make their way to hobbyists. A good example is the fact that my friend caught the snake and let it go without realizing that anyone would actually want to breed it.

Go back 30-40 years and we're talking about mail-order herps, monthly price lists without photos, and very little interest in reptiles compared to what we have today. The internet has been a huge game changer in herpetoculture.
 
I know a lot of people are against the whole "hybrid" thing but I would like to see it bred to a palmetto corn to see if it is the same gene.
 
SnakesAndStuff said:
The internet has been a huge game changer in herpetoculture.
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Agrees with this completely

Going by what you've said I'd breed it to a nice dark locality black and also a combo morph black rat, just for fun. First gives you a clean slate to play with, the second a crazy palette to paint with. Good luck, everything new is cool to see, so thanks for sharing a secret :)
 
Chip Bridges here, we've been talking. I am in agreement that it's an obsoleta, and also I am wearing that same Woot shirt!
 
Well, it's a Woot Woot moment then Chip. Woot.

and it looks like what a calico black rat would look like to me :)
 
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