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Interesting video.......

LOL, Rich! Great post! This is all not new, but no one listens because Obama is supposed to be the "savior" and if you speak out against him, you're a racist.

Thanks for sharing. Now let's hope someone listens...
 
I don't think anyone ever changes their mind about who they are going to vote for, do they? I've got a friend at work who is going to love that video, and he'll make sure lots of other people watch it.
 
Nanci said:
I don't think anyone ever changes their mind about who they are going to vote for, do they? I've got a friend at work who is going to love that video, and he'll make sure lots of other people watch it.
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I don't think many people change their minds once its made up.

Personally I won't comment on the contents of video or what I think about the election, simply because I've been talking about it too much the last couple of days and I need a break. However, I will say that I'm sure as good as it looks, there are plenty of facts that could be dug up to make the other side look as bad. Its just how you spin things. No side is perfect.
 
Eriathiel said:
I don't think many people change their minds once its made up.

Personally I won't comment on the contents of video or what I think about the election, simply because I've been talking about it too much the last couple of days and I need a break. However, I will say that I'm sure as good as it looks, there are plenty of facts that could be dug up to make the other side look as bad. Its just how you spin things. No side is perfect.
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Absolutely true... however, this is the FIRST time I've seen anything on this board that speaks from this side of the aisle... everything else has been pro-Obama.
 
Quite honestly, this may be the first presidential election that I just sit out completely, unless a decent independent candidate shows up.

I normally vote "against the other guy", but this time I SINCERELY wish there was a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" vote available.

Wouldn't it be GREAT to have an election where the choice was too tough because BOTH major candidates were so great that you couldn't figure out which one was better for the job? Instead of always voting for someone because you believe the other person would just be worse?

Is the job of being the President of the United States of America so loathsome that we only get barrel scrapings running for it? Or we just can't get someone we WANT for that job to even get to the point where WE can make that happen because of power politics keeping that from happening?

That rumbling noise you hear on those dead quiet nights is the sound of our forefathers who created this country via the Constitution and Bill of Rights spinning in their graves. :headbang:
 
Rich Z said:
Quite honestly, this may be the first presidential election that I just sit out completely, unless a decent independent candidate shows up.

I normally vote "against the other guy", but this time I SINCERELY wish there was a "NONE OF THE ABOVE" vote available.

Wouldn't it be GREAT to have an election where the choice was too tough because BOTH major candidates were so great that you couldn't figure out which one was better for the job? Instead of always voting for someone because you believe the other person would just be worse?

Is the job of being the President of the United States of America so loathsome that we only get barrel scrapings running for it? Or we just can't get someone we WANT for that job to even get to the point where WE can make that happen because of power politics keeping that from happening?

That rumbling noise you hear on those dead quiet nights is the sound of our forefathers who created this country via the Constitution and Bill of Rights spinning in their graves. :headbang:
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I agree with you that both of these guys are "bottom of the barrel" - 350 MILLION Americans and these are what we get. But for my part, I fear Barak more. He's got so much "garbage" in his closet that none of the major news media will even talk about. William Ayers, his Reverend, his Birth Certificate... all that and no one talks about it (except for Fox News... and even that network has me so mad I refuse to watch!).

THAT BEING SAID... I don't trust John McCain either... the "McCain/Feinstein bill - GARBAGE, his willingness to flip sides... rather quickly... But I still think, at least in terms of National Security, he's the one I HAVE to vote for. I hate it, but at least I know where he stands there. I also don't believe that he'll socialize everything and tax everything to death.

I know that with McCain, I'll be happy 25-50% of the time. With Barak... I can't even imagine how unhappy I'd be... LOL.
 
As I see it, with McCain, we will at least maintain our freedom, and as long as we have that, the American dream can withstand any obstacle and work to get beyond it. Without our freedom, America and the world is doomed.
 
I think George Carlin said it best:

....I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain", but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.

I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

:duck:
 
dpreston66 said:
I think George Carlin said it best:

....I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain", but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.

I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created."

:duck:
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LOL. Good one! Don't agree with it, but it is funny! George was ALWAYS funny.
 
That video was ridiculous. I learned nothing other than the author loves to quote mine and only show what they want you to see. Regardless of whether or not there was any truth to what was said, that was textbook propaganda, especially the John McCain stuff at the end.

Anyway, the US isn't a self-contained entity. It's part of a world community that has seen many of the same troubles. The economic boom caused most of the housing bubble. Look at Canada. Home prices where I live more than doubled in less than five years. There was a time when houses were going up by $20,000 a month. Canada has no equivalent to what that author is claiming caused the housing bubble. Banks in Canada are healthy, the economy is set to grow despite the financial crisis affecting much of the world.

The Republicans have been in power for 8 years. Am I to really believe that they have been powerless during those 8 years? Like I said, ridiculous.
 
Nova_C said:
That video was ridiculous. I learned nothing other than the author loves to quote mine and only show what they want you to see. Regardless of whether or not there was any truth to what was said, that was textbook propaganda, especially the John McCain stuff at the end.

Anyway, the US isn't a self-contained entity. It's part of a world community that has seen many of the same troubles. The economic boom caused most of the housing bubble. Look at Canada. Home prices where I live more than doubled in less than five years. There was a time when houses were going up by $20,000 a month. Canada has no equivalent to what that author is claiming caused the housing bubble. Banks in Canada are healthy, the economy is set to grow despite the financial crisis affecting much of the world.

The Republicans have been in power for 8 years. Am I to really believe that they have been powerless during those 8 years? Like I said, ridiculous.
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Well put...

I don't think I will be happy with either president, too, but I still think Obama is a better choice than McCain. As I said before, McCain is not going to change anything- it's going to be just like it is now with Bush (with some different things, for sure, but still). And, Palin is so.... ugh. She is not ready to be the Vice Pres of the US! She has too much baggage with her family and personal life.

But I do agree that Obama definitely has some bad things that he has done and thinks he's not said and the public is trying to hide. But, I think the same thing goes for McCain.
 
SnakesRule1234 said:
Well put...

, but I still think Obama is a better choice than McCain.
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Out of curiosity, can you give us your opinion on why you think Obama would be the best leader of our country? I mean, I know there are a lot of regurgitated statements out there, "bush-lite" etc etc...but I'm interested to hear the opinions of the youths. Just yours, not your parents or anyone else's, just yours.
 
The teacher stood in the front of the room and asked a class full of 2nd graders, “Did you know we are getting ready to elect a new president of the United States?” And the class all said yes, they were aware of that. The teacher said, “How many of you are Obama supporters?” Everyone in the class raised their hands except for Little Johnny. The teacher said “Johnny why don’t you support Obama for president.” Johnny proudly said, “Because I am a Republican, teacher.” And the teacher said “Why are you a Republican, Johnny?” And Johnny replied, “Because my mother and my father are both Republicans.” And the teacher said, “Well, if your mother were an idiot and your father was a moron, then what would you be?”

And Johnny said, “Why teacher, I would then be an Obama supporter.”
 
wade said:
The teacher stood in the front of the room and asked a class full of 2nd graders, “Did you know we are getting ready to elect a new president of the United States?” And the class all said yes, they were aware of that. The teacher said, “How many of you are Obama supporters?” Everyone in the class raised their hands except for Little Johnny. The teacher said “Johnny why don’t you support Obama for president.” Johnny proudly said, “Because I am a Republican, teacher.” And the teacher said “Why are you a Republican, Johnny?” And Johnny replied, “Because my mother and my father are both Republicans.” And the teacher said, “Well, if your mother were an idiot and your father was a moron, then what would you be?”

And Johnny said, “Why teacher, I would then be an Obama supporter.”
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Rep points have been awarded my friend. Unfortunately it's been made apparent America is chock full of morons and idiots.
 
wade said:
The teacher stood in the front of the room and asked a class full of 2nd graders, “Did you know we are getting ready to elect a new president of the United States?” And the class all said yes, they were aware of that. The teacher said, “How many of you are Obama supporters?” Everyone in the class raised their hands except for Little Johnny. The teacher said “Johnny why don’t you support Obama for president.” Johnny proudly said, “Because I am a Republican, teacher.” And the teacher said “Why are you a Republican, Johnny?” And Johnny replied, “Because my mother and my father are both Republicans.” And the teacher said, “Well, if your mother were an idiot and your father was a moron, then what would you be?”

And Johnny said, “Why teacher, I would then be an Obama supporter.”
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Perfect example Wade! That's just about the level of discourse in the video too! But it didn't make me laugh as much...:grin01:
 
Because unlike McCain he will try to get American's troops out of the war. He is also focused on the middle class and want to cut taxes (which I know will help us and others)... He will do a lot with Health Care (which will help SO many people who are sick but can't afford proper medical attention like my mum), whilst McCain, well, as far as I know, won't do much. Also, Obama is going to improve the education system, and while McCain will do some things with it, he will mostly let it be as it is. In my opinion, Obama will encourage American children to get off their butt and go to school and learn.
On the environment they're pretty much equal, as well as same sex marrige, and I'm sure some other things. On immigration I'm for both sides...

That's all I can think of from the top of my head...
 
And why do you think McCain doesn't want to bring our troops home? Do you think he has no experience in this area? What do you think might happen if we just...left?
 
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