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My First Hatchlings!

fyrefocks said:
A trundlefart is the new trade name (i WILL make it happen) for animals that are genetically het motley and stripe.

Isnt it possible that Copperhead simply didnt get the second caramel gene from one of his parents? I mean, if an anomaly never happened then we would never have the word, right?
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That seems the most logical to me; explains why Copperhead was the only weirdo, and his kids are about evenly divided. Maybe a normal gene of a neighbouring pair of alleles crossed over to the locus were caramel is situated. Or one caramel gene just mutated and changed the look of Copperhead and half of his offspring.
 
Susan said:
So the mother of Copperhead wasn't a virgin but instead a proven breeder! (highlighted in bold in quote) BINGO! Most likely a result of retained sperm.
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YES! Crucial information! I always thought that Copperhead's mom was a virgin before being bred to his father. Retained sperm seems to be the most likely explanation to me.

I feel much better now, and also like there's much less of a mystery here.

I went to the studio today and when I came back I discovered this little gem:
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What a beauty! A pretty much perfectly striped Motley ermm.. thundlefart. I can't call my snakes that. Sorry..
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"Nectarine", a beautiful little 5 gramer
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Oh, and I am breathing a little sigh of relief because the last egg has pipped. It wasn't connected to the other eggs and I was afraid that it hadn't developed at the same rate as the others or maybe didn't even have a snake inside. There's definitely SOMETHING in there! It might not come out until tomorrow though.

PS: Some of the snakes are looking VERY wrinkly! I think we might have some sheds soon.

Also, I tried sexing by shining a light from behind and looking for red dots, but it didn't work. I just got musked on. ;)

Looks like I'll either be watching a lot of youtube popping videos or begging Jen to come to my apartment!
 
I know the idea of retained sperm sounds good and all, but id believe my anomaly idea before i believe that the retained sperm only hit the one egg AND the genetics of the sperm donor are the same as the male who sired the rest of the clutch which is what is making it so hard to figure out how Copperhead happened.
 
You know what? If at the end of the day they are actually hybrids, so what? Doesn't make you love Copperhead any less and you've got a clutch of beautiful babies that most could only dream to have. I've never understood why the bad rap for corn x rat hybrids anyway. No I'm not a breeder, nor do I intend to be, nor an expert in genetics but they are very similar snakes to begin with. It's not like a junglecorn, which I could see some being upset about. But hey, that bad rap is the reason why my beautiful rootbeer ghost was sitting at VMS since last July. I'm sure that site gets hundreds of hits a day and yet the hybrids just sit there. It's really unfortunate too because pictures do him no justice and I can tell you hands down that he is one of the most gorgeous snakes you will ever see and I expect him to only get better with age. Your fondness of the aneries would have you gaga over him if you saw him in person. :) So enjoy your babies and if after further breeding trials you realize that they are hybrids, so be it. Add "cream" or "icle" or maybe even some variation of trundlefart that's a brand new hybrid at the end and make sure they get the best homes possible. Just my two cents. :)
 
That is an awesome trundlefart. Little Nectarine. I hope it is a girl cause that is a perfect name for her.
 
I can't afford a new snake this year, but if you mate them again I'll do my best to get one or two of these "copper" snakelings. Depending on the price and shipping.
 
Nectarine is amazing! Send her along to my house :). Good thing that clutch isn't mine. I think I'd be keeping ALL of them! LOL!

Sounds like you'll find takers for any of these that you want to sell :).
 
fyrefocks said:
I know the idea of retained sperm sounds good and all, but id believe my anomaly idea before i believe that the retained sperm only hit the one egg AND the genetics of the sperm donor are the same as the male who sired the rest of the clutch which is what is making it so hard to figure out how Copperhead happened.
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Why would you find it difficult to believe that the prior breeding of a butter motley would produce an amel motley het butter and that the next pairing of that female be to another butter motley? It actually seems quite logical to me. And only having one egg fertilized by the retained sperm from the prior years breeding sounds about right to me. I would be very surprised to find much more than that, especially when the female was bred to another male that year.
 
Irish Eyes (Mrs.Z) said:
Nectarine is amazing! Send her along to my house :). Good thing that clutch isn't mine. I think I'd be keeping ALL of them! LOL!

Sounds like you'll find takers for any of these that you want to sell :).
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Well, if s/he doesn't end up being a keeper, you will be first in line. ;)
Someone on facebook commented, "nasty, lol" underneath her picture, and I went as far as to de-friend them! I didn't really know her all that well anyway.. :rolleyes:

The retained sperm thing makes a lot more sense to me than an anomaly. I suppose it's possible, but the chances seem much less likely to me. If I had known that Copperhead's mom wasn't a virgin when she was bred to his father I don't think I would have been so perplexed over the situation. Tom, I KNOW you told me that the parents were both virgins, but ah well. Now we know!

If Chuck's oppinion means anything to anyone reading this, the last time I posted about Copperhead round his parts, he guessed (if anything he says is ever really just a guess) Amel Motley het Caramel as well. I'll post the results of this clutch again and see what he says.

I will admit that I'm not a genetics whiz, so I think everyone's opinions and speculations are valid. Thanks for bringing them up!

I really hope the last little one makes it out of the egg okay. It's been pipped now for a little less than 24 hours I believe, but no nose poking out anymore. Ah well, I suppose I just have to be patient!


giolover said:
what is the best snake for an 11 year old
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A Corn Snake!! ;) An established sub adult would be the best for a younger person to start out on, but a baby would work too. Corns are generally very hardy and easy to keep! You're in the right place.
 
That's right guys...just keep your eyes on those amels. :) Pineapple is really hoping to move here to Chicago.
 
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