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Phantoms? Morph popularity gap

omni

omni

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I was wondering if many people consider this morph (and Pewter) "tired" and old-hat. Reason being, that I haven't seen many up for sale this season of any age.

To me, a newer genetic version of Anery (Charcoal) paired with Hypo would be more popular than Ghosts (AneryA and Hypo). I playing a lot of catchup knowing what all the morphs are, and have never worked w/any.

Ghosts are pretty plentiful, many ppl are producing them. Pretty sure AneryB's been around long enough for many to have been working w/ them for a few gens, and Hypo(altho both are new to me).
Snows are everywhere, Anery A's and Amels too. Charcoal's easy enough on the wallet to be had, too. Also plenty of Blizzards.
So why is it that there's a lot of the older morphs being produced, and also a lot of the newest stuff too on the market, but in the middle you have some that aren't often seen, like Phantom and Pewters?

First I thought that breeders see it was nothing special, and moved on. But then the contradiction of older morphs (Snow, Ghost, Blizzard) just as plentiful as newer morphs(Lavender stuff, Opals, all the Bloodred combos and Lava stuff) just a lot cheaper?

If it was for profitability, you'ld think that Amels and Anerys wouldn't be produced in the #'s they are, that ppl give up on them and everyone would push newer stuff.
It's all confusing to me as I try to get a handle on price/demand of all these morphs. I'm basing all my observation on just watching about 8 mos of the online market and probably 8-10 yrs behind anything that's going on in corn breeding, so keep that in mind if I'm skew... I'm a bit of a cave-dweller hehe
 
My view is that one reason Phantom is rare because its still relatively new. BECAUSE few people are breeding it makes it a great project. It is a gorgeous morph too.

I think perhaps many breeders put phamtom on the back burner because of all the OTHER new morphs recently found to play with. Breeders only have so much space and with all the lavender/blood/stripe/butter/cinder/lava/sunkissed projects going on it's hard to fit it all in!
 
Phantoms are one of my favourite morphs. I LOVE the charcoal gene... more so than anery as I prefer the lack of yellow and darker eyes.

I have a phantom blood - shes my favourite silver corn. I just want a phantom blood stripe now and I will be happy forever.

I always wondered why there are so few around, but the gene is bring put to other uses thesedays like phantom blood projects, and whiteout projects and lots of pewter projects.
 
Omni, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking of a striped charcoal. When i ask for photo's cause I've never see or hear anyone talking about having one, only two poeple posted photo. I've always love the charcoal's more then the Anery A., but any ways here are the photo's that i did get.

http://cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59614

(thanks to those who posted them):)
 
Beats me why it is so popular.. There indeed is a beauty in the lowly Charcoal and its morphs.. Of course I think some of that can be attributed to Cinder craze as well *:shrugs:*, a mimic of the anery genetics.. Keep working with charcoal, it would be something different!

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
I'm desperate for a phantom, or even better, a charcoal mixed with another higher even higher end morph, but when you start mixing charcoal with other things they do get expensive, and they were very hard to find in anything older than a hatchling. Of course, that's common with many morphs. There's also the problem that I really can't convince my parents to let me have just one more, either, and I want to avoid getting a huge collection as well.
 
I have seen plenty of Pewters for sale. Perhaps not as much, as some other morphs, but have seen plenty. Plus, have seen plenty of Charcoals for sale. However, I have seen a ~very~ scarce amount of Phantoms.

Love Phantoms ... especially the lighter ones (though I have a preference for dark "normal" Charcoals ;) ). I, also, like the Charcoal gene more than Anery A ... at least when it comes to the "normals" and the combos I have seen to date.

Not sure why there aren't more Phantoms out there than what we see.
Could be that people are just working with other morphs and only have so much time/room for certain projects.
Maybe the fact that Anery A is so common that it (Anery A) plays a part as well.
Perhaps some folks just view them as being too similar to Ghosts. :shrugs:

There are folks working with the Charcoal gene (in combos) but it does, still, seem like something uncommon (outside of Pewters).
 
You may not see as many Phantoms for sale because they sell right away. :) My Anery Phantoms this season were pretty much spoken for before they hatched.

D80
 
I would trade my two corns for one phamtom,that was going to be my first corn when I was looking to buy,but could not find one.:angry01:
 
I've been told that you don't see as many because folks tend to prefer the brighter coloured snakes and so breeders don't set out to breed the darker (anery/charcoal) colours. A year ago, I was dying to see a charcoal motley and yet no one had one. I know a couple of folks on here ended up with a couple this year, but it amazed me that it wasn't a common occurence. Personally, the Phantoms are a little too light for me, but I plan on purchasing a couple of Pewters this year... would love a charcoal stripe... still waiting for someone to have a charcoal motley that they will release :)
 
Humm.. Maybe I should do a tesat breeding this year.. Find out whether or not he is het for charcoal and hypo for sure.. Intresting to say the least..

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Lowly charcoal? What's this?
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Apparently, a lot of breeders pass charocals by.. I think they are neat, at least in the hypo and diffussed form myself.. Beats me why the A version seems to remain more popular than the B... :shrugs:


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Weebonilass said:
I've been told that you don't see as many because folks tend to prefer the brighter coloured snakes and so breeders don't set out to breed the darker (anery/charcoal) colours. A year ago, I was dying to see a charcoal motley and yet no one had one. I know a couple of folks on here ended up with a couple this year, but it amazed me that it wasn't a common occurence. Personally, the Phantoms are a little too light for me, but I plan on purchasing a couple of Pewters this year... would love a charcoal stripe... still waiting for someone to have a charcoal motley that they will release :)
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I too have been looking for strip or motley charcoal corn with no luck.
 
Although I love anerys, I'm leaning towards charcoals and think a charcoal motley would be one of my favorites. Yeah, I guess you would get byproduct varieties from projects. I think I want to work w/ charcoals now and add Motley and Stripe. Maybe someday produce a Hurricane Motley Phantom... that would rule :)
 
I've been wanting to get a charcoal(or even better, a blizzard) and breed it to my female amel stripe. I also want to get a female charcoal/blizzard and breed it to my golddust het motley. ultramel charcoals...
 
Hmm. The last time I looked Rich had several Phantoms for sale. He lists them as charcoal ghost, I think the price was around $50.:shrugs: I just looked & they are sold out.
 
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TandJ said:
Apparently, a lot of breeders pass charocals by.. I think they are neat, at least in the hypo and diffussed form myself.. Beats me why the A version seems to remain more popular than the B... :shrugs:


Regards.. Tim of T and J
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We see more anery A combos because it's been around more. And I think the charcoals are just as popular, and many people actually prefer them to the anery As. Some breeders, like myself, aren't producing as many or their combos possibly because of the potential confusion with any anery A offspring in the clutch. Most of my adults are at least het for anery A so I'm having trouble finding mates for my 2 charcoal females. I have a pewter male, but not much else. I'm possibly going to break down and breed my charcoal het amel bloodred to an amel banded motley in '08. I don't know if he is het anery A or not, but since there has now been numerous photos and descriptions identifying the differences between anery A and charcoal hatchlings, I'm now not as reluctant to possibly have to make those identifications in the F2 generation. Now if they can find a way to tell the difference between a motley and a bloodred motley...:rolleyes:
 
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