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questions about morphs
- Thread starter darkpbstar
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Vinman
Vinman
Alias47 If you would know me than you would know that the people that I talk to are all data local people people my good friend Gerry salmon , bart bruno , Ricky walters , look my dream is to G.P.S. all my corns from jasper to make data local okeetees. I dont agree with people relaseing corns in the okeetee without having them from the same population. Caught with in a few hundred feet of each other.
E. g. guttata
Her name was Mary-9/17/05
Or, as Rich stated, with all the different spellings of "okeetee" could it possibly be that people were spelling how it sounded and not because anyone knew how to spell it????
E. g. guttata
Her name was Mary-9/17/05
Vinman said:
How are you going to GPS all the snakes when you can't afford to get a camera??
E. g. guttata
Her name was Mary-9/17/05
Joejr14 said:
A camera is a lot less expensive than setting up GPS boundries. I think a camera would be more helpful to his buisness than GPS locating. Sure the GPS sounds cool, but it isn't economical enough unless EVERYONE in the locality group agrees on the boundries. Since you're going to be hard-pressed to find a unanimous decision about that, then the GPS is effectively useless, whereas a camera would be a great way to get people to buy snakes, allowing for cool toys like GPS and satellite maps and specific laser locaters for whatever your need is, whether to draw boundries, or look at the mites on a snake from space.
Joejr14
Grand Bubble Burster
Hey Vinny dude, I found your crib!!!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3505+...00,-73.826998&spn=0.006416,0.009291&t=k&hl=en
And see, that even has your GPS location in it, so I saved you some time once you get your GPS!!!
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=3505+...00,-73.826998&spn=0.006416,0.009291&t=k&hl=en
And see, that even has your GPS location in it, so I saved you some time once you get your GPS!!!
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
Okeetee: person, place or thing?
Man, this one just won't die. Serp, CAV, John Albrecht, Clay Davenport: didn't we have a 20-plus pager on the same subject over a year ago? Was anyone's mind changed? My recollection is that a lot of people got bent out of shape. Locality folks said (in essence) other's animals weren't as valuable and look folks made our efforts to keep local lines seem dubious. Feelings got hurt, enemies were made, geez.
I have several arguements (several already made in some form) for why I find it important to keep locality animals. Serp et al made logical (although wrong
)points for their view. Just kidding, Serp! If you want a pretty normal, get a pretty normal. If you want to call it an Okeetee, call it an Okeetee. If you want to sell animals het for anything under the sun "Okeetee" because it brings a few more bucks, no one can stop you.
Vinman and locality keepers: my life on these forums got a lot more pleasant when I quit banging my head against a wall that just won't quite break. Just do what you do, explain it and :sidestep: the arguements!
Phase keepers: Many of you produce stunning cornsakes. Nothing takes away from that, so please respect that some people are interested in preserving a lineage. Get on a grayband forum sometime and say Juno Road is a look! :flames:
Man, this one just won't die. Serp, CAV, John Albrecht, Clay Davenport: didn't we have a 20-plus pager on the same subject over a year ago? Was anyone's mind changed? My recollection is that a lot of people got bent out of shape. Locality folks said (in essence) other's animals weren't as valuable and look folks made our efforts to keep local lines seem dubious. Feelings got hurt, enemies were made, geez.
I have several arguements (several already made in some form) for why I find it important to keep locality animals. Serp et al made logical (although wrong
)points for their view. Just kidding, Serp! If you want a pretty normal, get a pretty normal. If you want to call it an Okeetee, call it an Okeetee. If you want to sell animals het for anything under the sun "Okeetee" because it brings a few more bucks, no one can stop you. Vinman and locality keepers: my life on these forums got a lot more pleasant when I quit banging my head against a wall that just won't quite break. Just do what you do, explain it and :sidestep: the arguements!
Phase keepers: Many of you produce stunning cornsakes. Nothing takes away from that, so please respect that some people are interested in preserving a lineage. Get on a grayband forum sometime and say Juno Road is a look! :flames:
Vinman
Vinman
Joe and egg belive me you when I get on my feet I will be buying a GPS,
EGG you are right this is my plan I i'm as also working on getting a computer built costum to fit my needs. My friend want to bulid it now and work it off latter. I'm not ready now got other bills that are more important! I will quote you ;
A camera is a lot less expensive than setting up GPS boundries. I think a camera would be more helpful to his buisness than GPS locating. Sure the GPS sounds cool, but it isn't economical enough unless EVERYONE in the locality group agrees on the boundries. Since you're going to be hard-pressed to find a unanimous decision about that, then the GPS is effectively useless, whereas a camera would be a great way to get people to buy snakes, allowing for cool toys like GPS and satellite maps and specific laser locaters for whatever your need is, whether to draw boundries, or look at the mites on a snake from space.
egg this is the plan one step at a time.
Now joe even though you thought you were being cocky I think it is cool to see my apt. building on the web. so for you this backfired. Buy the way I dont live in a crib thats for babies I live in the H shaped apt. building
Rich I dont care who printed the map I find typ O in many books. I got my map from jasper co and it dont show the okeetee hunt club but it shows the same roads, I was there ,the only hunt club in Switzerland is okeetee this is where my female was caught.
E. g. guttata Quote; Or, as Rich stated, with all the different spellings of "okeetee" could it possibly be that people were spelling how it sounded and not because anyone knew how to spell it????
See how can you defend your point when yoyu dont know how the hunt club spells their name. You dont know any of the history I told call me up and you would know what you are talking about. you would find out what the orignal people that go every year to okeetee . you have no idea how indept the history is and how it became so famous.
EGG you are right this is my plan I i'm as also working on getting a computer built costum to fit my needs. My friend want to bulid it now and work it off latter. I'm not ready now got other bills that are more important! I will quote you ;
A camera is a lot less expensive than setting up GPS boundries. I think a camera would be more helpful to his buisness than GPS locating. Sure the GPS sounds cool, but it isn't economical enough unless EVERYONE in the locality group agrees on the boundries. Since you're going to be hard-pressed to find a unanimous decision about that, then the GPS is effectively useless, whereas a camera would be a great way to get people to buy snakes, allowing for cool toys like GPS and satellite maps and specific laser locaters for whatever your need is, whether to draw boundries, or look at the mites on a snake from space.
egg this is the plan one step at a time.
Now joe even though you thought you were being cocky I think it is cool to see my apt. building on the web. so for you this backfired. Buy the way I dont live in a crib thats for babies I live in the H shaped apt. building
Rich I dont care who printed the map I find typ O in many books. I got my map from jasper co and it dont show the okeetee hunt club but it shows the same roads, I was there ,the only hunt club in Switzerland is okeetee this is where my female was caught.
E. g. guttata Quote; Or, as Rich stated, with all the different spellings of "okeetee" could it possibly be that people were spelling how it sounded and not because anyone knew how to spell it????
See how can you defend your point when yoyu dont know how the hunt club spells their name. You dont know any of the history I told call me up and you would know what you are talking about. you would find out what the orignal people that go every year to okeetee . you have no idea how indept the history is and how it became so famous.
So Pirate55
New member
wow what a difference the word "phase" can make.
Personally, i think to be an okeetee, it's ancestor's should be okeetees. However, if someone has a snake who looks like an okeetee, i think that just writing okeetee phase or okeetee (look) or hell even writing non-local could help somewhat. Either way, it's not taking away from the beauty that makes up the okeetee (local and looking) cornsnakes. This is one argument that will never be settled. I'm not saying give up your stance on the issue, but fellas dont be afriad to call a stalemate.
no offense vin, but you're starting to believe way too much of your own hype. Unless you know the people personally that you are talking to, you have no idea what they know or what experience they have with the okeetee hunt club. You know what they say about assuming things...anywho, i'm not trying to start a fuss, just pointing out that you can jump the gun questioning people's knowledge or credibility for that matter.
Personally, i think to be an okeetee, it's ancestor's should be okeetees. However, if someone has a snake who looks like an okeetee, i think that just writing okeetee phase or okeetee (look) or hell even writing non-local could help somewhat. Either way, it's not taking away from the beauty that makes up the okeetee (local and looking) cornsnakes. This is one argument that will never be settled. I'm not saying give up your stance on the issue, but fellas dont be afriad to call a stalemate.
no offense vin, but you're starting to believe way too much of your own hype. Unless you know the people personally that you are talking to, you have no idea what they know or what experience they have with the okeetee hunt club. You know what they say about assuming things...anywho, i'm not trying to start a fuss, just pointing out that you can jump the gun questioning people's knowledge or credibility for that matter.
Vinman
Vinman
So Pirate55 said:
yes I know and met people that hunted with carl. yes know a fella name john green born ,raised in jasper. Yes the second wave of hunters, The NY zoo keepers, and people that were into reptiles before it was popular. when there were only a few people into reptiles and breeding was new to the hobby the people that taught me about collecting , and about the okeetee. When I went to jasper , the middle of the day is not good to hunt snake, I would drive around looking at the county. Speaking to hunters that lived there in jasper. This has been my main interest in corns my firstbaby male corn that I bought for breeding was a okeetee bought off Joe kahn Who hunted with Carl. A and Rob Zap.these were the two guys that hunted and worked with Carl K. there is a lot of history. I know Roy pinny he knew carl very well .Eirnest Hoffmann All thease people were NYHS club members . This is what I been trying tell everybody there is a lot more that meets the eye. It all started here in NY .
E. g. guttata
Her name was Mary-9/17/05
I could always call up at the hunt club.... I got a phone number. Just to see if I could get a real map of their property, or at least some info on their history. That way you don't have to worry about posting for people to know.......
Serpwidgets
New member
Who cares?
I don't need to ever set foot in the Carolinas, or see any "locality" snakes, or know anyone who bred snakes 20, 70, or 5,000 years ago, to know what an "Okeetee corn" is supposed to look like. Neither does anyone else. How can this possibly be so hard for anyone to understand? :shrugs:
E. g. guttata
Her name was Mary-9/17/05
Rich Z said:
LMAO :roflmao: Didn't you know that breaking the law is kool?? LOL
Menhir
Charmelippe
E. g. guttata said:
Don'T worry, that will shurely stop when you're a little older, have kids, a wife, a dog and a car.
Then you will just sit around and tell younger people about the past times and the things that were better and different... just like the Okeetee thing. :bounce:
princess
Cornaholic
Vinman said:
OK, so I haven't read the whole thread and this one is a little off topic, but I'm Australian born and my parents are both Italian born and from many generations of Italians (at least 4 and up to 7 on some lines that we can deffinately doccument).
Question is, am I Italian or Australian? I say both, culturally I've grown up in Australia (albeit with my ethnicly influenced background) but my 'look' or 'phase' if you wish to call it that, is that of a classic northern Italian...because you have to take into account that northern and southern Italians look quite different to each other. And I look quite like a 'locality' northern Italian.
My boyfriend is Danish. We live in Sweden. Would you call our kids, ½ Danish ½ Australian? ½ Danish ½ Italian? Swedish?
To go back to the locality versus look topic, I believe a cornsnake that outwardly appears to be true to the 'breed standard' (-not that it exists but I'm trying to come up with a term that fits) of the brilliant orange background, large deep red saddles and broad black borders -should be allowed to be called an Okeetee. Saying that only hunt club collected snakes qualify, means that those F4's and F5's from Okee-backgrounds that are exquisite examples of what an Okeetee should look like cannot be called an Okeetee is just silly talk to me.
I'm sure many of you will dissagree with me but that's what opinions are for!