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wade said:
Just a note, I do not dislike Mormons in general nor do I harbor any ill feelings for them. When you live in Utah you need to find some humor in the situation when you can.
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If I'm not mistaken,,,, You picked sunshine and natural splendour over rain and unemployment.... S'not my fault we spotted, we got the booze, in the small print... LMAO
 
wade said:
You don't know pain until the Mormon Missionaries find you. Then you will have a come to Jesus meeting.
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I would have "Come to Jesus meetings" with my bad employees... named the same but pretty sure the content was different :devil01:
 
OK...crazyDave keeps saying that English is his third language, yet hasn't once told us what his first language is. Perhaps another member of this forum speaks that language and might be better able to help translate...
 
I am fluent in Gibberish and Babble. I can order dinner in Mumble and Stutter. I don't think understanding Mr Crazy will clarify his argument.
 
Well that is not quite accurate Susan, I lean more to cowboy boots than sandals, or maybe tennis shoes. How do you know I'm not a black man, or a native American?
 
You very well could be (although I have seen a few pictures of you). See the whole thing is an illusion drawn to fulfill the needs of those viewing, actually when I look in my frame there is no picture, what does that say about me. Really I was just thinking of your kids and their "come to Jesus meeting".
 
Actually Susan, I know your avatar is Medusa, but it is hard to tell that from the picture. I think of you as a somewhat Victorian woman who likes to sing opera. Am I close?

When my children and I had come to Jesus meetings, my apparel was the last thing on their minds. “...unless you repent you will all likewise perish." Luke 13:3, 5
 
luckycharm318 said:
Hmm...


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and stargazing
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says the guy who is selling unconfirmed snakes for a thousand dollars...
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so u confirmed them by making attack on me?
glad i could help u confirm them...

troll, n.1

* Computing slang. A person who posts deliberately erroneous or antagonistic messages to a newsgroup or similar forum with the intention of eliciting a hostile or corrective response. Also: a message of this type.
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OOH, forgot to add, his English seems fine and dandy in those three posts. Gee, I wonder...
 
I have decided that I have as firm a grip on Jesus (ooo dirty!) as others do on evolution. I know this because I was once christian and so can say with authority that Jesus is one thousand feet tall, corpse gray, has tentacles for a face and eats the souls of his followers. Now, to you this may seem more like cthulhu, just as the idea that a cat that would breathe underwater despite being a land predator or one that would spontaneously grow wings in a single generation would actually make *me* believe in creationism, but you would be wrong and any evidence, no matter how concise or explained or documented will not dissuade me from the fact that I *know* that Jesus is sleeping and waiting for the End of Days to come and nom me like popcorn.

This is mostly all in good fun backed with frustration. I don't know astrophysics so therefore I'm not going to try to argue with an astrophysicist that the sun is actually made of crayons.

All hail Cthulhu Jesus.
 
Emily1188 said:
However, to pretend as though it's those big mean atheists against all the nice believers is ridiculous. You know how when public figures are trying to be PC, they'll mention something like Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and "all other faiths?"

Imagine what it's like to not even get a mention. Nothin'. Might as well not exist about 90% of the time.
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Umm, atheism is a faith too, a faith that there ISN'T a deity or deities. I do, however, agree that PC should be something like "Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, all other religious faiths and all good people of whatever belief." I do agree that atheists & agnostics get "picked on" too.
 
wstphal said:
Umm, atheism is a faith too, a faith that there ISN'T a deity or deities. I do, however, agree that PC should be something like "Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, all other religious faiths and all good people of whatever belief." I do agree that atheists & agnostics get "picked on" too.
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No, it isn't. I totally disagree. "Atheism", literally, is a lack of belief in a god/gods. It is by definition a negative concept, i.e. "What is not."

If I say, "Space is empty; there's no air or any other gases in space," would you reply, "Empty is a gas too!"? The lack of something cannot be considered another of category of whatever is said to be lacking.

If you were to specify a secular set of beliefs, such a "naturalistic world view", I would give it to you. You could assert that someone has a "faith" in natural phenomena and scientific method (although I would argue that faith is the wrong word, because those ideas by nature imply relying tangible evidence rather than faith, which is blind trust).

However, it does not require any kind of "faith" to simply live a life void of something for which there is no credible evidence. I would call that just living. ;) Anything else is something you're choosing to believe in addition to what's obvious (or discoverable via scientific means). I don't go around thinking about "why I know there is no God". I just go around thinking about the things I can sense or that have been credibly proven. That doesn't take any kind of faith for me.
 
Emily1188 said:
No, it isn't. I totally disagree. "Atheism", literally, is a lack of belief in a god/gods. It is by definition a negative concept, i.e. "What is not."

However, it does not require any kind of "faith" to simply live a life void of something for which there is no credible evidence. I would call that just living. ;) Anything else is something you're choosing to believe in addition to what's obvious (or discoverable via scientific means). I don't go around thinking about "why I know there is no God". I just go around thinking about the things I can sense or that have been credibly proven. That doesn't take any kind of faith for me.
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Yes, but the ABSENCE of deity is not discoverable or provable either, which is what I was getting at. I apologize if my language was less than precise.

Saying that, I have an ancestor whose first name was Darwin. He was so named because HIS father was an ATHEIST who believed in evolution over 100 years ago. So although I have a religious faith tradition I subscribe to, I see absolutely nothing wrong with atheists or agnostics. If you believe there is no deity/deities because there is no evidence for them, or if you believe that you don't know because there is not evidence, there is NOTHING wrong with that.
 
wstphal said:
Yes, but the ABSENCE of deity is not discoverable or provable either, which is what I was getting at.
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But that doesn't matter.

I can't prove that there's a pink unicorn sitting next to me. Like a deity, he can't be sensed or measured with scientific instruments. There's no proof he exists.

There's also no proof there's not a purple dragon of the same ilk sitting right next to.

Does it take faith to say they don't exist? I don't think so. Just because a lot of people happen to believe in a few types of pink unicorns or purple dragons doesn't mean it takes "faith" to suggest they don't exist.
 
Hold on now. I have my own beliefs and they all fit together. They are special, rather private and personal, and nobody's gonna change my mind.
And I promise, in this particular area, I will never be guilty of really trying to change anybody's mind or convince them of anything.

However, I believe that for me to expound on a subject, I should bring some things to the table. Knowledge (old or new) and research (old or new). My memory was shaky about "Atheism", although I know that Nietzsche and Wittgenstein, among others, make a great case for it. So I consulted the error-riddled and home-baked encyclopedia of wikipedia, and there is some very interesting reading there. Very interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

IMHO, part of knowing precisely who I am and what I believe...is knowing something about what I am not and what I do not believe.
And debates on religion, G(g)od(s), and belief systems are not of much use other than to expose the ignorance and meanness of people.
I believe the original poster knew/knows this full well. How could one not?

If your beliefs are sacred to you, then they are worthy of deference from me. What ever works for someone...well...works for someone.
 
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