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Snake, rattle, roll: GOP targets python rule

EricRoscoe

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Snakes alive! Giant pythons in the Everglades are the latest focal point in the Hill’s partisan squabble over federal regulations that House Republicans say are squeezing the nation’s job growth.

At issue is a proposed rule from the Interior Department that would designate the Burmese python and eight other snake species as “injurious,” which would make it illegal to import them or transport them across state lines.
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The ban has been a pet cause of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who called for Interior to take action based on estimates that 100,000 or more pythons are dwelling in the Everglades, where scientists say they feast on herons, egrets and other native species.

The issue exploded into a media sensation six years ago after a photographer captured an image of a decapitated python that had burst after swallowing a 6-foot alligator. Some scientists have warned that the snakes might eventually spread throughout much of the U.S., with potentially suitable climate for some species existing as far north as coastal Delaware or Oregon.

But in a report released Wednesday, Republicans on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee denounced the proposed rule as part of the Obama administration’s “regulatory tsunami.” They said the snake ban could “devastate a small but thriving sector of the economy.”

Snake breeder and herpetologist David Barker testified at a committee hearing Wednesday that the rule would hurt the livelihoods of people like him.

“It threatens as many as a million law-abiding American citizens and their families with the penalty of a felony conviction for pursuing their livelihoods, for pursuing their hobby, or for simply moving with their pet to a new state,” Barker told the panel.

Barker also warned about the impact of the rule on existing pets. “What’s going to happen to the million or so animals that suddenly are without value?” he said. “The implementation of the proposed action may precipitate the greatest slaughter of pet animals in American history.”

House Democrats scoffed at the idea that snake regulations would be major impediments to job growth.

“With all due respect to our witnesses from the Association of Reptile Keepers, repealing a so-called job-killing regulation to allow more pythons, boa constrictors and anacondas into the United States is not the kind of bold, bipartisan solution Americans are looking for to help the economy,” said Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member of the oversight panel.

In a statement Wednesday afternoon, a spokesman for Nelson (D-Fla.) said that “respectfully, the House Oversight Committee might just be wrong on this one.”

“I mean, how many people line up outside Walmart on Black Friday to buy a python?” the spokesman said. “Rules like this are carefully weighed, narrowly targeted and aimed at protecting the public safety and welfare.”

The Republicans highlighted the draft rule in their report, which denounced a host of Obama administration regulations.
In discussing the python issue, the report describes the proposed snake regulation as “a solution in search of a problem,” pointing to contrary research from some scientists who found evidence that cold weather could keep the pythons from spreading much beyond subtropical South Florida.

But Everglades National Park spokeswoman Linda Friar said in an interview that the python problem is real.

“We’re extremely concerned,” she said. “The real turning point was when we saw that they started to breed in this habitat.”

Friar added that the proposed federal rules would help deal with the threat, which some scientists blame on pets whose owners released them after becoming unable or unwilling to continue caring for the animals.

While Florida has tightened its regulations on some python species — for example, requiring snakes to be implanted with a microchip identifying the owner — that doesn’t address everyone who buys the reptiles, Friar said.

“You can go online and not purchase in a store in Florida,” she said. “You could probably do it in 10 minutes.”

In and near the park, the number of Burmese pythons removed has soared from just two in 2000 to 367 in 2009. Last year, it dipped slightly to 322.

“The Burmese python and these other alien snakes are destroying some of our nation’s most treasured — and most fragile — ecosystems,” Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said in a statement last year.

Salazar added: “The Interior Department and states such as Florida are taking swift and common sense action to control and eliminate the populations of these snakes, but it is an uphill battle in ecosystems where they have no natural predators. If we are going to succeed, we must shut down the importation of the snakes and end the interstate commerce and transportation of them.”


Aside from the Burmese pythons, Friar said, some other large, aggressive snake species have been turning up outside the park, including anacondas and African rock pythons.

The African rock python has been known in rare cases to attack and even eat humans. Florida has yet to see any attacks on humans by pythons in the wild, although Nelson has pointed to one case in which a pet Burmese python that escaped from its cage strangled a 2-year-old girl elsewhere in the house.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63530.html
 
Weren't the pythons in Florida from a research facility that got destroyed when Hurricane Andrew came in? They did DNA testing and all that.
 
“I mean, how many people line up outside Walmart on Black Friday to buy a python?” the spokesman said. “Rules like this are carefully weighed, narrowly targeted and aimed at protecting the public safety and welfare.”

Maybe someone should drag this guy down to the next reptile show in his area, see how many people show up to buy a reptile.

I'm still waiting for them to explain how this proposed rule would magically disappear the burmese pythons from the Everglades. Will it also disappear all the other non-native animals AND plants?
 
I was wondering how a bill that was introduced in Florida, by a Florida Democrat, became Obama's fault and "...part of the Obama administration’s “regulatory tsunami.”..."

Don't get me wrong, it's nice to have support against the bills being proposed. I would simply rather that support come in the form of good, honest research and science, than another attempt to villify Obama by the Republicans...
 
At least they are standing on the side of the reptile community. Who cares what political party it is, they are helping? Oh sure they have ulterior motives, but if they are taking the side of the small herp business owners, I am not complaining.
Azhketh, the line outside the Portland Expo in January was huge. People will stand in line to buy them and for hours!
 
I always wonder how the proponents of banning reconcile two of their contradictory pillars of their stand on banning exotics? Maybe nobody calls them on it? One of the arguments they like to use is the lack of rescue orginizations willing and capable of handling exotics, especially the really big snakes and how that leads to the release of and other assorted abuse to lots of these animals when keepers find they are in over their head or something happens to them. Yet they think making it illegal to take your well cared for and beloved pet with you when you are forced to move out of state, as all too many people are in this economy, where there aren't enough rescues or private individuals set up to take in the snakes, who now have no value and must be given away is going to help prevent releases or stupid people, who want a big bad snake to show how cool they are, from easily acquiring them? The very kind of owners that cause headlines and are exactly the type of people to be most likely to take in these now throw away pets? Making a normally law abiding person a criminal for doing what in most cases is going to be the most ethical thing by taking their pets with them across state lines anyway? Has the laws about shell length, that reduces turtles, especially RES of less than a few years of age into valueless animals, stopped the amount of them that are released? Has it slowed the covert sale of them? No. They are some of the most easily attainable turtle out there and one of the most impulse bought ones, since they are so seemingly cheap. While some laws are undoubtably good and might help, seems like most of the people pushing these laws are like someone firing a shotgun and can't hit the broadside of a barn. Lots of collateral damage, messiness and very little or no damage to the intended target.
 
Weren't the pythons in Florida from a research facility that got destroyed when Hurricane Andrew came in? They did DNA testing and all that.

Yes. Yes they were. Yet pet owners are being blamed for this. I am scared for my boa if this law passes. I'm not staying in CO forever and I don't want an ignorant law like this to leave him without a home.

Not to mention that banning the import (which I am okay with, we have tons of breeders here), and interstate trade of these snakes ISN'T going to solve the issue. I think that Florida needs to simply open a year round hunting season for the snakes. Don't get me wrong, I love snakes (obviously), but we do need to be concerned for the native species. The problem is not going to go away because the snakes are banned. Are they going to pack their bags and leave? No. The populations there are going to stay there unless something is done (like open season).
 
I agree that obama doesn't need any help to becom villified he has done plenty hisself. Also this is another example of socialistic democratic rule over free people. Always trying to control every aspect of people's lives. The more I see this type of politics the more I understand why 351,000+ men gave their lives to stop it.
 
Y The problem is not going to go away because the snakes are banned. Are they going to pack their bags and leave? No. The populations there are going to stay there unless something is done (like open season).

+100000000000

The snakes are already there. I bet the amount of new Burmese Pythons and African Rock Pythons released into the wild every year is 1/10 of what politicians think it is.
 
So if a response is pointless or nuetral it's chit chat but if it has a postition or (especially conservative) it's trolling? Any way we all know that the pythons in FL are not terrorizing the wolrd or Florida for that matter. It's just a boogy man story pumped up by a power hungry democrat who wants to control people's lives. And it's Florida's fault. They shouldn't have voted in a wicked reprsentative who is bent toward taxes and encroaching on people's lives and income. Same way with the country on a federal level. The president is a reflection of the peopl that voted him in. I really don't know if the 2012 elections will be any better if the people are still wicked, ignorant, or dependant.
 
Any way we all know that the pythons in FL are not terrorizing the wolrd or Florida for that matter. It's just a boogy man story pumped up by a power hungry democrat who wants to control people's lives

The pythons are doing a lot of damage to the native wildlife species in Florida. Now, are they going to be creeping into people's windows and eating children like the news likes to say after the neglected pet python killed the two year old? No. But they are eating a lot of native species, which creates competition for both American Alligators, as well as the endangered Florida Panther. It is estimated that (forgot what year) the burmese python will over take the american alligator as Florida's top predator. We have seen them eating smaller alligators, even large ones. So, boogy man myth? No. It's not. It's another invasive species that is destroying native populations. Banning the species is not going to change anything at all, the existing populations need to be dealt with in Florida.
 
So if a response is pointless or nuetral it's chit chat but if it has a postition or (especially conservative) it's trolling? Any way we all know that the pythons in FL are not terrorizing the wolrd or Florida for that matter. It's just a boogy man story pumped up by a power hungry democrat who wants to control people's lives. And it's Florida's fault. They shouldn't have voted in a wicked reprsentative who is bent toward taxes and encroaching on people's lives and income. Same way with the country on a federal level. The president is a reflection of the peopl that voted him in. I really don't know if the 2012 elections will be any better if the people are still wicked, ignorant, or dependant.

You're acting "trollish" because your statements are negatively charged, political insults.

It's not Obama's spending that has brought on the deficit, it is Republican pandering to corporations. We wouldn't be in the economic catastrophe that we are currently facing on a Federal Level, if Republican whores would stop climbing into bed with corporate money sharks in an effort to deepen their own pockets. All the Federal cuts to the budget in the world won't make a bit of difference if you don't increase revenue. This Republican idea of trickle down economics and unregulated corporate power is precisely what has brought this country to it's knees.

And given the Republican Party's current front runners, no...2012 won't be any better. In fact, with the ignorance and foolishness running rampant through the Republican Party right now, I dare say that Republican Candidates are the best chance any Democrat has at re-election.

Speaking of socialism...Wasn't it a Republican President that decided warrants for wire tapping, phone taps, and internet stalking of private citizens was perfectly legal? Just a touch KGB-ish, don't you think? Oh, isn't it also the Republican Party that desperately seeks to limit the personal freedoms of homosexuals by preventing them the same rights as every other citizen of this country based entirely upon, religious morals? And how about those Republicans forcing their jmorals and ideals onto the bodies of every woman by deciding FOR them which medical programs and procedures are beneficial, and which are necessary? Talk about your "death panels"... At least under "ObamaCare", medical decisions are made ebtween a doctor and a patient, not a board of directors and a CEO.

But I expect nothing else from a Republican troll that can't see the forest through the trees, and couldn;t define "socialism" if his life depended on it. Very typical.
 
You're acting "trollish" because your statements are negatively charged, political insults.

It's not Obama's spending that has brought on the deficit, it is Republican pandering to corporations. We wouldn't be in the economic catastrophe that we are currently facing on a Federal Level, if Republican whores would stop climbing into bed with corporate money sharks in an effort to deepen their own pockets. All the Federal cuts to the budget in the world won't make a bit of difference if you don't increase revenue. This Republican idea of trickle down economics and unregulated corporate power is precisely what has brought this country to it's knees.

And given the Republican Party's current front runners, no...2012 won't be any better. In fact, with the ignorance and foolishness running rampant through the Republican Party right now, I dare say that Republican Candidates are the best chance any Democrat has at re-election.

Speaking of socialism...Wasn't it a Republican President that decided warrants for wire tapping, phone taps, and internet stalking of private citizens was perfectly legal? Just a touch KGB-ish, don't you think? Oh, isn't it also the Republican Party that desperately seeks to limit the personal freedoms of homosexuals by preventing them the same rights as every other citizen of this country based entirely upon, religious morals? And how about those Republicans forcing their jmorals and ideals onto the bodies of every woman by deciding FOR them which medical programs and procedures are beneficial, and which are necessary? Talk about your "death panels"... At least under "ObamaCare", medical decisions are made ebtween a doctor and a patient, not a board of directors and a CEO.

But I expect nothing else from a Republican troll that can't see the forest through the trees, and couldn;t define "socialism" if his life depended on it. Very typical.

So can we count calling Republicans 'whores' as trolling?
 
So can we count calling Republicans 'whores' as trolling?
Well, if it was written as anything other than a response, sure. But since it was a direct response to an existing political insult, it isn't trolling...it's responding.

Better or worse? No, neither, really. Just different...
 
And I didn't call Republicans "whores". I talked about "Republican whores". There is a HUGE difference between calling all Republicans whores, and calling Federal Representatives, in bed with corporations for profit, "Republican whores".

One is insulting an entire belief system based on the actions of a few individuals. The other is calling those individuals by a very accurate term. Big difference...
 
I'm sorry if I implied that republicans would be the "fix all". Just calling it like I see it, democrats at the moment seem the be the ones threatning the herp hobby/business/ etc..
 
I'm sorry if I implied that republicans would be the "fix all". Just calling it like I see it, democrats at the moment seem the be the ones threatning the herp hobby/business/ etc..

No, a single Democrat, supported by false information, bad research, and fake scientists is threatening the herp hobby, not all Democrats, and certainly not Obama, personally.

Regardless, it's still far better than allowing the current regime of Republican thought sink our country deeper into despair by keeping one hand in the pocket of corporations, while firmly squeezing the life out of the middle and lower classes of our society with the other...
 
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