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Snake, rattle, roll: GOP targets python rule

Anno Domini (abbreviated as AD or A.D.) and Before Christ (abbreviated as BC or B.C.) are designations used to label or number years used with the Julian and Gregorian calendars.

This calendar era is based on the traditionally reckoned year of the conception or birth of Jesus of Nazareth, with AD counting years after the start of this epoch, and BC denoting years before the start of the epoch. Alternatively, the secular abbreviations CE and BCE are used, respectively.

There is no year zero in this scheme, so the year AD 1 immediately follows the year 1 BC. This dating system was devised in 525, but was not widely used until after the Carolingian Renaissance.[1]

The Gregorian calendar is the most widely used calendar in the world today. For decades, it has been the unofficial global standard, adopted for pragmatic interests of international communication, transportation and commercial integration and recognized by international institutions such as the United Nations and the Universal Postal Union.[2]

The term Anno Domini is Medieval Latin, translated as In the year of (the/Our) Lord.[3][4]:782 It is sometimes specified more fully as Anno Domini Nostri Iesu (Jesu) Christi ("In the Year of Our Lord Jesus Christ").

Traditionally, English has copied Latin usage by placing the abbreviation before the year number for AD.[5] Since BC is not derived from Latin it is placed after the year number (for example: 68 BC, but AD 2011). However, placing the AD after the year number (as in "2011 AD") is also becoming common usage. The abbreviation is also widely used after the number of a century or millennium, as in "fourth century AD" or "second millennium AD" (although conservative usage formerly rejected such expressions).[6] Because BC is the English abbreviation for Before Christ, it is sometimes incorrectly concluded that AD means After Death, i.e., after the death of Jesus. If that were true, the thirty-three or so years of his life would not be in any era


Oh say it ain't true. Our dating system can't possibly be based on Jesus Christ. No No those left wing athiest democrats that signed the constitution would never recognize anything that might have to do with "THE YEAR OF OUR LORD" That had to be just some catch phrase the white haired wigged old senial men went around quoting. They couldn't possibly have a belief in that Lord!
 
Oh wow, the forum jester is still at it strong eh?
I guess it's amusing, if you're into that sort of stuff.
 
Funny. I thought that most people had switched from the outdated "BC/AD" to "BCE/CE" terminology (which was used as early as 1708). :shrugs:
 
Nanci said:
So weren't we talking about the python ban???
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I was just about to post this very same thing.

Does anyone know the specific eight "other species" being listed? I gotta say, even as a lover of snakes, that an intelligently implemented permit system may be in order for certain species.

Of course, "intelligently implemented" is where the challenge lies. :uhoh:
 
The proposed ban covers nine species of giant constrictor snakes including the Burmese, North African and South African pythons, the boa constrictor, and the anaconda — green, yellow and Bolivian, as listed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Rock python and retic?? That was all I could find Googling it really fast.
 
Nanci said:
The proposed ban covers nine species of giant constrictor snakes including the Burmese, North African and South African pythons, the boa constrictor, and the anaconda — green, yellow and Bolivian, as listed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Rock python and retic?? That was all I could find Googling it really fast.
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Yes. It also includes the Nile Monitor, if I remember correctly.
 
ScottyK said:
Of course, "intelligently implemented" is where the challenge lies. :uhoh:
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Actually, the proposed species are already covered by a permitting system in Florida which requires an annual fee and microchipping.

Are you familiar with this piece of writing?

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

It's the same thing, but with herps. It may not affect you today, because you don't have a giant snake. Once legislation is passed, however, it just gets more and more restrictive, not less. Many people believe we don't "need" to keep any snakes at all for pets. They would be more than happy for all herp-keeping to be against the law. (Same thing with guns, but that's a different issue. Sort of...)

ALL herp owners, even the ones who don't have any snakes at all- the tortoise keepers, the frog keepers, etc., need to band together and form a strong group and speak up and not let this piece of crap law be passed!!
 
There is a wild tegu population. The species in Florida covered by the permitting system are:

Reptiles of Concern

Reptiles of Concern (ROCs) are non-native reptile species that have the potential to become established in Florida and can threaten native wildlife, cause economic damage or pose a threat to human safety. Rules for Reptiles of Concern (ROCs) go into effect on January 1, 2008. ROCs require a $100 annual permit for personal possession, and any ROC that is 2 inches or greater in diameter must be permanently identified by a microchip (also called a PIT tag). Microchips can be implanted by local veterinarians who work with non-native species. Any person who possesses an ROC that is 2 inches or greater in diameter before January 1, 2008 will have until July 1, 2008 to get their animal microchipped. Any ROC greater than 2 inches in diameter purchased after January 1, 2008 will need to be microchipped immediately. The following are the Reptiles of Concern:

Burmese python (Python molurus)
African rock python (Python sebae)
Amethystine python (Morelia amethystinus)
Reticulated python (Python reticulatus)
Green anaconda (Eunectes murinus)
Nile monitor (Varanus niloticus)


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Tegus aren't included in the law because one starved tegu fed on a road kill squirrel once per month, kept by some idiot in a tank with a sack tied on by a rope, with a history of multiple escapes, didn't kill an infant, so tegus don't make a good subject for sensationalized news stories or a suitable platform for a DESPICABLE elected official to launch an all-out attack based on faulty, non-factual "research" for what reason I am really not sure...Just because Bill Nelson is a jerk, I guess? Had a bad experience with a snake as a kid? Who knows, but he has an agenda and factual information about snakes is not on it.
 
It's not like I'm talking behind his back; I've been in contact with Bill Nelson, too. Frequently. Telling him his position on the python ban is the ONLY issue that determines my vote.
 
Nanci said:
Actually, the proposed species are already covered by a permitting system in Florida which requires an annual fee and microchipping.

Are you familiar with this piece of writing?

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
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I agree that we need to protect our rights, but that seems a bit melodramatic. I don't think that I'll need to worry about stormtroopers breaking my door down if I protest further restrictions down the road.

Especially lately in this country, everyone seems to think that you have to choose between one extreme or another. Is it not possible to have a scenario where I can freely buy a Ball Python, and at the same time not see a vendor at an expo selling an Anaconda to a twelve year old?

The problem is that all of the pragmatic people with common sense are being drowned out by the extremists on both sides of every issue.

To your point about speaking up, here is my opinion, respectfully given. I believe that fighting for zero restrictions now is going to eventually backfire on the herp hobby as a whole....
 
Scotty, I don't think anyone here believes that NO restrictions for the "giant" snakes is the way to go. I, for one, would LOVE to see an effective permit process in place for some of the larger species. Not everyone can handle a Burmese, Retic, or Rock python. The permitting process would make sure that not everyone can obtain them as easily as they once could.
 
Actually, edited. In Florida, a 12-year old, or anyone for that matter, cannot buy an annaconda at an expo at all.
 
Hey Robbie,

My reply was not directed at anyone in particular on this site, just giving my general opinion on the issue.

Most of what I've been reading from those involved on a legislative level seems to indicate an all or nothing bias. I'm hoping (not optomistically) that some common sense regulations today will prevent worse from happening tomorrow.

I know that here in Massachusetts a permit system is in place already. From what I've been told by local hobbyists it hasn't been the herp keeping doom that some predicted....
 
Nanci said:
In Florida, a 12 year old cannot buy an anaconda at an expo unless he has the proper permit for it. I'm not sure if the state of Florida has an age requirement.
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Same here in MA, but a half hour drive up into NH will get you anything you want with no restrictions, and no way to ensure that the buyer does not live in MA.

Like I said in my previous reply. I am very "for" herp keeping. My main worry is that if it becomes an all or nothing fight, what happens if the "nothing" side wins?
 
So now that in Florida it is illegal to sell burms, retics, etc. I think we are definitely seeing an impact on the reptile industry as a whole, as evidenced by the decline of the NRBA show at Daytona. So if the big snake vendors don't go, less people come to shop, other vendors of legal species don't bother to attend, even less people come to shop...We can already see a difference in just a couple years.
 
I had a friend go to daytona last year (2010) and he said that authorities were checking people's vehicle like nazis. People were either being wrote up for violations or sold a permit at their vehicle. It may not be a money thing with bill nelson it may be a personal challenge/pride issue. If he has a following which he probably does by the snakaphobes it's got his head swole up and he is on a mission to win for his minions. Democracy is mob rule. That doesn't mean that the mob is always right.
 
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