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Snake, rattle, roll: GOP targets python rule
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Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
No, its trolling with baiting comments saying you wish some snakes would eat liberal democrats. Sorry, talk like that doesn't have any room in an adult conversation. Doesn't matter which side is doling it out.
And you're absolutely right that our electives are reflective of the people who vote them in. With people like you joking about the other side dying, is it really surprising that our political landscape is such a cesspool right now?
Sorry, but get off your high horse that everything bad is the fault of Democrats. It's not. Both sides have plenty of blame. So long as we continue to play childish political games, we will continue to have the mess we're in.
Blue Apple Herps
aka Matthew, PhD
"Rights for me! None for thee!!" Seems to be the mantra of many. I find it ironic how these "small government conservatives" want government out of their lives, yet have no problem injecting it into others' lives.
Every thing bad ain't the fault of Democrats, the majority of what both sides do is wrong or uncalled for. Repbulicans are for the most part hypocrits who try to hide their wickedness and democrats are not hypocrits they are certainly honest about their wickedness. One thing that seems to be going on now is that both sides are not happy with the current president. (source talk radio)
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ATPSS
You should think about what you say before talking about our troops. They are the ones fighting the wars. I don't care where the money is coming from. There are many on this forum who have been in the service or are still in. Myself included. I do not stand for any kind of bad mouthing our troops. I don't care what type of point you are trying to get across.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Why can't the government defend your right to practice religion without promoting it? It's very easy, actually. They simply make no law to prevent you from practicing your religion, whatever that religion may be. They don't have to even acknowledge a particular religion by name. As long as religion is pre-defined, which it clearly is, and your religion fits the definition, which is not at all hard to do, you are free to practice it.
This is why we have things like Christianity, Buddhism, Scientology, Religious Science, Mormon, Wiccan, and Alien Space Nation(or whatever they call themselves this week) all co-existing in this country.
The government absolutely does NOT need to defend, condone, or promote a single religion in order to allow all peoples religious freedom. You're just completely missing the point of freedom and equality.
And my son just got back from a combat tour in Iraq AND a combat tour in Afghanistan. He is an explosives tech. That means he runs out in front of the rest of the troops, finds, disarms, and dismantles all those "improvised explosive devices" you hear about on the news. He, and many, many others, risked and are currently risking their lives everyday so that YOU have the right to speak your mind and worship your god without fear of repercussions. It would be nice if you didn't discount their efforts out of hand simply because you do not fully understand the politics of war. A little respect goes a long way...
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ATPSS
EOD all the way. Tell him that a fellow EOD tech is happy he is back. Unless of course he is an army engineer, then tell him an EOD tech said for him to stop doing our job! LOL JK. We usually needed all the help we could get, or we would have had no sleep while I was out there...
I respect troops way more than I respect washington. Sometimes though it seems that especially young soldiers are so full of vinegar that they'll obey any order without question.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-20/world/us.military.bibles.burned_1_bibles-al-jazeera-english-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-20/world/us.military.bibles.burned_1_bibles-al-jazeera-english-military-personnel?_s=PM:WORLD
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ATPSS
Lavender, welcome to the world of protecting our soldiers. Disbursing those bibles would have hurt the military's mission. It would have caused people who were on our side, to switch and people who were on the fence to turn their backs on our help. I hope you can see through the blindness that you so certainly are seeing now. If those Bibles had found their way into the hands of the Afghani people, from the hands of a US soldier, it would have just fueled the fire against the "Western Crusaders". I carried a bible on my person every where I went while I was in Afghanistan. It was English only, and I had no intention of pushing my beliefs on any of the local people.
It had nothing to do with following orders without question. It had everything to do with protecting the troops from needless violence.
It had nothing to do with following orders without question. It had everything to do with protecting the troops from needless violence.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Dude...the soldier requesting those bibles is absolutely against Military protocol. Had the military allowed those bibles to be distributed amongst the Afghanis, there would have retaliation from the Taliban. Those soldiers lives' were in danger the moment those bibles reached an American Military Compound on foreign soil. The very presence of those bibles on that base puts the entire base at serious risk.
Distributing them would have been a violation of Military regulations. Requesting them was a violation of Military regulations. Destroying them was the ONLY acceptable means for the military to handle the situation.
As for obeying orders without question...soldiers have a mandated, standing morality directive. If they receive an order that they feel is immoral, or contrary to military regulations or the Geneva Convention, they are required to disobey that order. If they carry that order out, and the results are worthy of Court Marshall, it is the individual soldiers responsibility, and they will be charged with whatever crime fits the action.
For example...if a Sgt. gives a Private an order to shoot a civilian, and the soldier carries out that order without question, that soldier, along with the Sgt. giving the order, will both be tried and convicted of military crimes. If the soldier refuses to carry out the order...only the Sgt. is tried.
This series of regulations was established shortly after the Vietnam conflict due entirely to the amount of questionable orders that were carried out to the detriment of civilians and military personnel alike.
You really like to talk without knowing what you're talking about, don't you?
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
What is wrong with you? There is a problem with being respectful of other religions in this world?
I don't care if a person is a detainee or not, they still have the right to worship their god of choice, and they still deserve to be treated with the respect due to any human being.
Try to remember that a detainee is not a convicted terrorist. Please try to remember that "suspected" and "convicted" are not synonymous, and that in this country, all detainees are innocent until found guilty, and treated with the respect due a suspected criminal in a court of law.
Your ideal seems to be that anyone that believes in any religion other than Christianity should not have the right to do so. That's fascism. I really don't care WHAT the "other religion" is, it is still a protected right in this country, on this soil, and under our Constitution.
Get your head out of your butt, dude. Christianity is among the newest and LEAST practiced religions in the world. It's brand new, historically speaking, and it's practiced by a miniscule percentage of the global population.
Fanatical bible-thumping is very close to extremism in ideology. It's bible-thumpers from your neck of the woods that shoot and kill licensed doctors for performing medical procedures and blow up health clinics. It's bible-thumpers like you that blow up American Government offices and federal buildings in the name of god(remember Timothy McVey?).
If you ask me...there is very little difference between Muslim extremists and Christian extremists. Both kill innocent people in outrageous acts of terroristic violence. Both do so in the name of "the one true god". And both hold steadfastly onto their belief that their way is the only right way, and as such their god will justify their actions.
Open your eyes, get your head outta the sand, and look around you, my friend. YOU are the minority. YOU are half the problem.
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ATPSS
LOL, I figured as much. Those guys are not supposed to be messing with suspected IED's, but most of the time they do. It's mostly because EOD guys are so spread thin, that the army started training their engineer's how to do basic IED identification. Now everyone thinks they know how to disarm an IED... Most get lucky, because technology over there sucks, but some get hurt.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Contrast? What contrast?
On one hand, a single soldier defies military regulations by ordering bibles in 2 foreign languages with the sole intention of distributing them and proselytizing Afghanis during a combat scenario on foreign soil.
On the other hand, the US military dictates a process by which detainees are given the right and respect to practice their own religion.
There is no contrast. There is no comparison. One is a soldier blatantly disregarding military regulations in an effort to "convert" muslims, essentially placing his entire base at risk of attack on foreign soil. The other is the military honoring our Constitution by outlining a process which allows suspects to practice their own religion.
You have an incredibly warped perception of reality. And an even more warped perception of right and wrong.
I'm really finished having this conversation with you. You don't even comprehend the most basic philosophy of respect and Constitutionality. Your viewpoint is so skewed by personal bias that you honestly believe all religions other than Christianity to be false, and therefor not Constitutionally protected.
You, my friend, are the worst kind of Christian. There were some commandments handed down from your god to your Moses. One of those commandments was "Thou shalt not judge". According to your religion, ONLY your god has the ability to perceive and judge the righteousness of other men. Not you, not your priest, and not your parents...your god. I recommend you read your bible a couple more times before you dig yourself any deeper.
When you're done with that, READ THIS LINK, in it's entirety, including the addenda, and tell me where it stipulates that Freedom of Religion applies only to Christians and Christianity.
When you're finsished with that, grab a dictionary and learn the definition of the word "respect". Then perhaps we can continue this discussion. Until you learn the basic ideas behind those 3 texts...we have nothing more to talk about.
Article. VII.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
In the year of our Lord. Wonder what Lord they were talking about? Maybe the only Lord possible for the date 1787 years after the death of WHO? You got it. Jesus Christ.
But you probably rattle of some gov't schooled left wing interpretation of a dating system set forth by some other rocket surgeon that worships himself.
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.
The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.
Attest William Jackson Secretary
done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
In the year of our Lord. Wonder what Lord they were talking about? Maybe the only Lord possible for the date 1787 years after the death of WHO? You got it. Jesus Christ.
But you probably rattle of some gov't schooled left wing interpretation of a dating system set forth by some other rocket surgeon that worships himself.