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So Peach is now Amaretto?

I thought it was named Cinder, but Rich didn't want to call them Cinder, so he started calling them Ashy, but I could be wrong.
 
I miss KJ...

KJUN said:
Most of the "new trade" names are created by people that have nothing to do with the morph in question (other than owning one) but want to feel like they actually contribute to the hobby. Of course, a name is nothing like a new morph, new mutation, or a new set of knowledge; but it is the best they can do. Soooo, they create a name, wave a flag, and feel like they have somehow altered the course of herpetoculture for the better. That's how I see it, anyway. These confusing names made by Johnny-come-latelies represent all that was embarrassing to herpetoculture with the ball python craze. It was like some cornsnajke guys looked at all the dumb stuff being done in that market and said "Hey! We can be sillier than that!"....and succeeded.....lol.

EVERYONE: Use whatever name you want - just don't expect that others have to, too. ...and be prepared to list the individual genes that make it up for the 90+% of cornsnake buyers that don't care what the morph is called as long as it (1) has the look they like and/or (2) has the genetics they want.
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Susan said:
Did a little research and it seems that the "peach" mystery line corns produced by Rich Hume are NOT amber lavenders. The exact reason for their coloration and their full genetics is still unknown and may simply be selective/line breeding so they can still be called "peach" corns while hypo caramel lavenders can be called "amaretto" corns.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=114479&highlight=peach
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=115335&highlight=peach
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Thanks Susan for getting this info. This is what I see that people just can not comprehend for some reason.

This goes back to the original post question.......so Peach is now Amaretto?? Answer: NO it is not.

A Peach corn is not made up of the genetic trait combine of: HYPO + CARAMEL + LAVENDER............however a Amaretto is.

We are talking about two different visiual morphs made up of a different trait combination, period. So there are Peach Corns and there are Amaretto Corns.

Again, my post here is not about who likes the trade name of ANY particular morphs, it's about the fact that Peach & Amaretto are two totally different morphs.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Thought that was established in the other thread already...

Peach is not Amber Lav. ;) Amber Lav = Armadillo!
 
ghosthousecorns said:
I'll chime in, I like names that I can tell what the morph is better than "pretty word names" too, I like hypo lav, anery lav, caramel lav, sunkissed lav etc much better than the alternative stuff, moonstone orchid and what have you. I don't really care what other people use but I try and put the morph name on my delis: Anery bloodred, Hypo cinder, etc.
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Jen,
I understand you don't like trade names and that is perfectly fine and your right and I'm defiantly not trying to change your mind here so please don't take this as that.

However, I think you may run into a little problem ,when the time comes, to label a deli cup containing a:
Sunkissed Hypo Lavender Stripe Bloodred Tessera.............well without covering the entire lid anyway ;)

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
And since it's been asked, Rich Z discovered the first ashy/cinder corn and it was initially named "morph Z" or "anery Z". Once Rich had a better idea how the morph as a whole was going to look, he named them "ashy". Carol got hers from him via a hidden het and marketed hers under the name "cinder". Most people preferred the name "cinder" and that's the most widely used one at present, proof that just because you discover a gene or are the first to produce something, doesn't necessarily mean that the name you give it is the one that will stick.
 
I guess if I start making snakes with that many genes I will just have to get the XXL labels for my delis then LOL. I can always try to make my handwriting smaller too. Anything to not have to carry around a little corn snake lexicon so I know what's in there? I know these days if you don't know what something is you can just do a search but I like skipping unnecessary steps when I can. And even if things can get too wordy, lot of the double morph combos already have common names that are widely in use, such as snow, ghost, amber, phantom, so if it gets too long I don't mind "amber lavender" "hypo snow" or "cinder ghost" (I actually have been using that last one as one word- cinderghost- for a snake that I believe to be hypo anery and cinder) but at least you can still know what the genetic makeup is of the snake on those examples.
 
I called the Peach corn into question with Ian (of vivarium fame ),as everything I had read said that it was unproven,didn't involve Caramel,where the morph submitted did.
After questioning the person who submitted the morph Peach to Ian's vivarium it was determined that he didn't really know what the combo was,and hadn't realised that Caramel wasn't involved hence it's removal from the Morph Guide.
Having seen pics of both Adults and hatchlings there seems to me to be similarities with the Line of Lavenders that Joe pearce had a few years back that he labelled as Sunset Lavender they also seem to fade out to normal looking Lavenders once adult.
Any thoughts about this from any one ???
 
BloodyBaroness said:
He's my issue; Amaretto does not look anything like those snakes. At least give me a clue to the genetics involved. Lots of the corn "trade names" have that problem.
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I agree 100%. Amaretto is brown with gold highlights. If the snake is lavender and yellow there is no connection what-so-ever!

BloodyBaroness said:
Avalanche? Snow I'm guessing, but what else? Oh blood red, well that's morbid. Snow + Blood x ski resort = Bloody Snow, hence Avalanche? I fail to see the logic.
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There is logic in this one. An Avalanche is homo for Snow, an Avalanche involves snow. An Avalanche is a Diffused Snow. What is Diffused? A blurring of the side pattern. An Avalanche is moving snow which blurs it. The only thing I don't like about the name Avalanche is it is long, but I can link the name to the genetics involved, blurred or moving snow.

Now with Amaretto, it makes no since to me at all. Calling a Lavender Caramel, Amaretto, is like calling a Hypo Lavender a brown =$%^. There is no connections at all.
 
So glad we're not talking about Ball Pythons here...KillerBee, Kingpin, SoulSucker, Jellyfishmask, Boat ramp, Sasquatch Slippers Etc... Jeeesh!:crying:
 
steve roylance said:
So glad we're not talking about Ball Pythons here...KillerBee, Kingpin, SoulSucker, Jellyfishmask, Boat ramp, Sasquatch Slippers Etc... Jeeesh!:crying:
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This is what made me steer away from ball pythons really. All too confusing. I looked at all those names and said, "WTF?". Sounds like a bunch of Juggalo kids made most of those names up. Sorry if the people who named them are well respected individuals. But that was my first thought seeing some of the ball python names lol. :sidestep:
 
WingedSweetheart said:
This is what made me steer away from ball pythons really. All too confusing. I looked at all those names and said, "WTF?". Sounds like a bunch of Juggalo kids made most of those names up. Sorry if the people who named them are well respected individuals. But that was my first thought seeing some of the ball python names lol. :sidestep:
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Hahaha, you're not the only one who thought that! :D
 
BloodyBaroness said:
He's my issue; Amaretto does not look anything like those snakes. At least give me a clue to the genetics involved. Lots of the corn "trade names" have that problem.

Amaretto? No idea what's in it.
Amberder? Amber Lav, but you sound like a goob.
Carender? Is that a care bear with gimp?
Avalanche? Snow I'm guessing, but what else? Oh blood red, well that's morbid. Snow + Blood x ski resort = Bloody Snow, hence Avalanche? I fail to see the logic.

To each his own in the end, but I think changing morph names just because they sound better to you, needs to get roped in.
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I totally agree.

btw whats wrong with "Lavamber"?

sounds still a bit like lavender and you have amber in it too...I'd use lavamber for that morph. ;) :D
 
JimGERcream said:
I totally agree.

btw whats wrong with "Lavamber"?

sounds still a bit like lavender and you have amber in it too...I'd use lavamber for that morph. ;) :D
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Two things I don't like about "Lavamber". First, have you actually said it out loud? Second, someone looking at it might think...lava and amber, not lavender and amber.
 
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