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Speckled King X Corn

starsevol said:
I don't know alot about either Belgian breed as far as the american vs the european standard, but I have heard that the Belgian Travern (spelling again...) is one of the rareest breeds in the country....I know someone that has one and he said he had to wait...it was either 2 or 3 years to get his....

I guess my point about the show dog thing was that people tend to be passionate about their dog breed, snake species, cat breed or what have you. So, to some of us corn "purists", hybridizing seems like breeding a top Westminster champion whateveritis....to a street mutt, and doing it on purpose!! In my eyes, cornsnakes are about as perfect as animal as you are likely to find..I love them...so why tamper with perfection (and change it?)
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To each their own. I know if someone dislikes something I have no place to try to make up their mind . (Unless it is honestly wrong.. like racism or something) But who doesn't like a good ol' fashioned debate?!? :) I understand your points on everything (even if I don't always agree) I still see you're point.
 
Susan said:
I want to say that Jeff Mohr (MohrSnakes) had some (but don't quote me on that), even had them for sale, so you can run a search to see if you can find photos.
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Nope...those were specked king X California king crosses.

The closest I could find was a speckled king X yellow rat snake posted by Carol on another forum that I can't link to this one.
 
That is an amazingly cool looking snake. I love the colors and the pattern. The only thing is the red eyes... the albino pink/red eyes bother me. Always has... just creeps me out. :shrugs:
 
I dont own any hybrids of any animals right now. i had been looking at getting a wolf hybrid, but decided against it, because right now i do not have a place for one. the appartments where i live will not be a good place for a dog. i want at least 5 acres for the dogs to be able to run on without worrying about them getting hit by a car.
speaking of dogs, my favorite breed is the Catahoula. they are awesome, some are really ugly but most are absolutly beautiful. they dont have a set way they are supposed to look, they are all bred for working dogs or gaurd dogs. i could talk for hours about them. in fact when i am back home i am always talking to people about them
 
Watched the video of your dog. i must say amazing dog wow. I had one with some training though not on that level. He was a collie/ German Shepherd mix smart and just amazing.
 
Here is something that is going to mess with purist minds.....
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This is a WILD gopher snake x cali king snake hybrid. This is a huge difference from 2 kings intergrading or a rat x corn snake, these snakes are from completely different genera. The snake's parents were about as genetically different from each other as a king is to a corn. And if you say "It's just a one time thing." there have been several other examples of this hybrid found in the wild. So how would you feel now knowing there may be king snake blood in you prized gopher or viceversa? I've also heard rumors of eastern milks crossing with black rat snakes on occasion in the wild but I have no proof of that.
 
chad27 said:
That looks nice. Was in the wild?
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Ya in the wild. It kind of reminds me of a hypo jungle corn but on steroids lol. I haven't seen any king x pit crosses in captivity though, which is a shame I think if you go off the look of the one in this picture.
 
MalinoisK9 said:
And what job do snakes perform in society?
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Don't forget the Seizure Snake!!!

"When Daniel Greene has a seizure coming on, he says a hug can help stop it.

As he walks through the small Agate Store near Shelton, a nearly 5-foot boa constrictor coiled around his neck, even a customer walking within a foot of him doesn’t notice the snake. It’s a different matter, however, at Burger King.

Greene, 46, approaches the counter, but the manager orders him and his snake off the property before he can place his order. Redrock the boa, Greene says angrily, is a service snake who alerts him to pending seizures by giving him a hug. The snake had been seeking the dark confines of Green’s coat sleeve. At that moment, Redrock pulls his head out and stiffens.

“He’s alerting me,” Greene says. “I need to sit down.” But instead, he walks across the parking lot toward a pet store, speaking comforting words to the snake and kissing its head.

As a service snake, Redrock is protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). But the Department of Justice (DOJ) again is trying to define service animals, and Redrock may lose his status, which at least in theory allows him to accompany Greene into stores, restaurants, theaters and other public places."

(If you Google "snake prevents/warns of seizures" you'll find the story. Vets from where I work are quoted in some articles!)
 
starsevol said:
Parasitic twins happen in nature also.
It is not something we should strive for.....
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Ya, but thats a huge difference from hybrids. For one its not genetic and two it a huge health issue for the animal with the twin and will leave the animal suffering its entire life.
 
Brewster320 said:
Ya, but thats a huge difference from hybrids. For one its not genetic and two it a huge health issue for the animal with the twin and will leave the animal suffering its entire life.
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They are both things that "shouldn't be".
And I would say that combining the genes of 2 entirely different species IS genetic.
Many animals with parasitic twins do not appear to be suffering at all..depending on where the spare body parts jut out of.
 
starsevol said:
They are both things that "shouldn't be".
And I would say that combining the genes of 2 entirely different species IS genetic.
Many animals with parasitic twins do not appear to be suffering at all..depending on where the spare body parts jut out of.
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I ment the twin isn't genetic. It's just a twin that didn't completely seperate from its sibling and didn't fully form so it lives on its fully formed twin.

And have you ever heard of speciation by hybridization? Its when two species breed with each other and produce hybrids. The hybrid finds it's own niche or during an enviromental change the hybrid is better adapted to the new enviromnt than either parent species is and over time they become their own species. So saying hybrids should be is saying evolution shouldn't be. Remember this. The goal in evolution for an organism isn't to continue it's own species, it is to pass on it's genes, doesn't matter to what though.
 
The difference is that they select their mates in nature themselves and OVER TIME become another species.
How many jungle kings (sorry, they are not corns) are in nature compared to captivity?

Not at all like tricking a snake to mate with another species by pulling a switcheroo at the last minute now is it?
 
starsevol said:
The difference is that they select their mates in nature themselves and OVER TIME become another species.
How many jungle kings (sorry, they are not corns) are in nature compared to captivity?

Not at all like tricking a snake to mate with another species by pulling a switcheroo at the last minute now is it?
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Ok then. How many of your corns choose their own mate? None right, you choose. Thats being hypocritical because no captive snake gets to choose its own mate. Also there are many hybrids that don't need the "switcheroo", some times you don't even need to do it with kings x corns.
 
Brewster320 said:
Ok then. How many of your corns choose their own mate? None right, you choose. Thats being hypocritical because no captive snake gets to choose its own mate. Also there are many hybrids that don't need the "switcheroo", some times you don't even need to do it with kings x corns.
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I agree with that, except, in nature, is a cornsnake more or less likely to breed with another cornsnake?

Corns and kings are 2 different species. Humans and chimps are 2 different species. Breeding corns and kings is like breeding humans and chimps in my opinion. (Chimps have what..something like 99% of our DNA)
 
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