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The Scaleless Corn Poll

What do you think of the Scaleless Corns

  • I like them and would like to have them

    Votes: 43 32.8%

  • I hate them and would never have them

    Votes: 50 38.2%

  • I'm undecided........so maybe??

    Votes: 38 29.0%
  • Total voters
    131
I am -very- much against any attempt to architect snakes to fit our wants on the expanse of the snake.
Scales serve part in prevent dehydration and protection. I don't see this as being better than removing the venom sacks of venomous snakes.

Pigments I can live with as long as there are no other obvious consequences... changing physical traits such as this is crossing the line as far as I am concerned.

They were not created for my amusement.

Don't blame others who do want them, just stating my take on'em.
 
I haven't held one as yet, so I am not voting. Aside from rootbeers, cremecicles (points off for spelling), and these scaleless, are there other Pantherophis X Pantherophis hybrids, and if so, what are they please?
 
Kokopelli said:
I am -very- much against any attempt to architect snakes to fit our wants on the expanse of the snake.
Scales serve part in prevent dehydration and protection. I don't see this as being better than removing the venom sacks of venomous snakes.

Pigments I can live with as long as there are no other obvious consequences... changing physical traits such as this is crossing the line as far as I am concerned.

They were not created for my amusement.

Don't blame others who do want them, just stating my take on'em.
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Exactly!

In other words, I do not like them nor do I want one.
 
In captivity though dehydration and protection are things we provide and prevent. A snake given appropriate temps and a consistent water supply isn't going to dehydrate and living in a viv is different than being exposed to the wild where protection via their scales is necessary. Half the morphs created today would never survive in the wild and morphs are now created in the images we like and that will sell. It's a personal opinion I guess since many love hybrids and I am not a fan, but I guess I just see these as a new morph like all the rest scales or not:)
 
Kokopelli said:
I am -very- much against any attempt to architect snakes to fit our wants on the expanse of the snake.
Scales serve part in prevent dehydration and protection. I don't see this as being better than removing the venom sacks of venomous snakes.

Pigments I can live with as long as there are no other obvious consequences... changing physical traits such as this is crossing the line as far as I am concerned.

They were not created for my amusement.

Don't blame others who do want them, just stating my take on'em.
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Well said and I agree. ( here come the albinos are bad arguments)
ps) I have no problem with hybrids, we all probably knowingly or unknowingly own them or intergrades anyway.
 
I *really* liked them when I first saw them, and thought "When the prices come down I want a pair."

Finding out that they're recent Emoryi-content Rootbeers does make them a little less desirable, because I would prefer that (if my corn snakes have any non-guttatta input) I don't know about it, and it's not in their lineage as far back as can be traced.

Would I buy them as known Rootbeers and breed them as a hybrid project? Yes, if I had the space for another project (and I really don't). If I were going to do that, I'd want to get a couple of the absolutely stunning Creamsicle Stripes I've seen and work between the two groups.
 
danielle said:
In captivity though dehydration and protection are things we provide and prevent. A snake given appropriate temps and a consistent water supply isn't going to dehydrate and living in a viv is different than being exposed to the wild where protection via their scales is necessary. Half the morphs created today would never survive in the wild and morphs are now created in the images we like and that will sell. It's a personal opinion I guess since many love hybrids and I am not a fan, but I guess I just see these as a new morph like all the rest scales or not:)
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in captivity you can basically keep any snake alive... but what's his quality of life?
You can basically keep -anything- alive with the right tools(machines, ventilated air, et cetera).
But taking him out would be a risk, as he is more prone to injury- so his viv would have to be all the more sterile, and probably with no branches for the same reason.

Snakes have evolved over millenniums and the scales are one trait they -all- share. They -all- undergo shedding cycles, which means that it has proven it's efficiency. The fact that our limited perception allows us to gather the two roles stated above doesn't mean the scales have no part in other things as well.

BTW, scales also have a part in thermal regulation.

I have gotten into the hobby to keep snakes, not turn snakes into a mockery resemblance of themselves. At some point the snakes in captivity can end up being the majority of snakes in the world- I do not want to see them become what some dog races are now today- a minuscule comic version of a wolf incapable of even breeding on their own.

That's my take on'em... it doesn't mean I am absolutely right, just what I think is all
 
wax32 said:
I haven't been able to find a picture of them...
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Scaleless Corn I believe this is a pic from BHB.

btw, I keep Scaleless Texas Rat snakes and have no issues at all. I do nothing special for them and they thrive like their snake brothers that have scales
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I had forgotten just how awesome they look! I have nothing against hybrids as long as they are labeled and sold as such, especially if they look like hybrids. I'm not too fond of creamsicles and rootbeers because they look too much like corn snakes, but a nice jungle corn has me drooling every time. And these look so unlike a corn snake that the hybridization isn't even a factor for consideration, IMO.
 
i havent seen a close up picture of them but from what i have seen... as soon as i can id like to get 1 or 2
 
scaleless corns

I personally am not a fan of ANY man made hybrids (MUTTS)-we as breeders should maintain pure lines WITHIN THE SPECIES.I'll quote Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they COULD,and didn't think about whether they SHOULD" Leave mutations like that to mother nature WITHOUT human manipulation or interference!:angry01:
 
Reading this:

http://www.reptilis.com/detail2.php?id=435

it sounds like it started with a single cornsnake showing a naturally occurring mutation, like anything else...

I don't see any mention of hybridization. My french reading comprehension isn't perfect but it's decent.

At any rate, it is a mutation from mother nature, not a science lab...
 
Geez guys, come on now... aren't we all hybrids? If man worried about keeping the human race so pure, most of us would not be here, after all I am, Italian, Welsh, English and Irish. I figure that pretty much makes me a "Mutt- Hybrid" based on the thoughts here, Guess that means there is no place here for me on Earth. Based on that theory,... would that also mean mixing races is wrong also?...... and artifical semination in the human race?.... I am proud to be a Hybrid and my Racks are open to those Herps that are.
and YES,.... I Label them as such as any responsible Herper would do.:duck:
 
Oliv, just wondering, do you have a link to any more websites with information on the scaleless corns? My search engines of course only want to find US sites. KJUN mentioned he saw a website from the "originator" and it talked about the beginning of the scaleless corns and I'd REALLY like to see that!

Rebecca
 
Geez guys, come on now... aren't we all hybrids? If man worried about keeping the human race so pure, most of us would not be here, after all I am, Italian, Welsh, English and Irish. I figure that pretty much makes me a "Mutt- Hybrid" based on the thoughts here, Guess that means there is no place here for me on Earth. Based on that theory,... would that also mean mixing races is wrong also?...... and artifical semination in the human race?....
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Scientists have determined that there is no such thing as "race" in a biological sense. Race is a cultural distinction usually based on visual characteristics and varies according to culture

"Genome variation research does not support the existence of human races.”
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Some argue that the taxonomic concept of race, although valid in regards to other species, does not (currently) apply to humans.[5] Many scientists have pointed out that traditional definitions of race are imprecise, arbitrary, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races delineated vary according to the culture making the racial distinctions. Thus, those rejecting the notion of race typically do so on the grounds that such definitions and the categorizations which follow from them are contradicted by the results of genetic research.
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Since Africans, Asians, and Europeans became recognizably different very recently they all have only very minor adaptations rather than Genetic diversity. All Homo Sapiens are equally capable of cognition, communication and interbreeding regardless of appearance or location.
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We're all cultural mutts, for the most part, but as far as being a race or "morph" nope!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_human_beings)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_genetics
 
Scaleless corns

So call them scaleless ratsnakes-not corns-I personaly have no interest in them,but if others do that's fine as long as they are labeled as what they truly are-I personally prefer locality specific animals that evolved in nature isolated from other subspecies-as far as human races interbreeding,to each his or her own choice-animals don't get to choose (natural selection) when we breed them (selective breeding) - By US making the choice we MUST accept the responsibility of the outcome (product),be it human or reptilian. Whatever makes YOU happy-isn't that our ultimate goal-to be HAPPY? :dancer:
 
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