Will Obama take credit for the census jobs?

[mike17l]

L-O-L!!!!!...:flames:

Yeah I know, I cannot believe that someone was naive enough to answer "no" either.

 

[mike17l]

I responded the thread because I have an opinion.

Right, but you do see the irony here, don't you?

Why this particular situation is so different as to warrant a topic and poll of it's own is beyond me.

 

[Ricky87]

...And the war of semantics waves in lol...'Tis what it is, I suppose!. I don't much see the big deal either way on this issue, because it ultimately neither helps or hurts the state of the American people..Still didn't vote though..No point .

 

[wade]

KJ, I'm sorry but this is a stupid question. Of course Obama will take credit for the dip in unemployment. He will also blame Bush when the unemployment goes back up when the census is finished.

 

[ratsncorns]

I think he should take credit. After all, its not exactly his fault that the unemployment rate is so high and our economy sucks. Thank you Bush.

 

[wstphal]

My opinion is that should Obama's PR people decide that this would be a good opportunity for him, it would be no different than any other PR opportunity that has been exploited by every other President throughout American History.

I'm gonna pick a little nit here. The evidence suggests that George Washington was relatively impervious to PR. He was actually asked to become ~King~ and turned it down, even though it appears it was a relatively popular idea at the time. So I don't think ~EVERY~ President has been PR driven.

PR driven Presidency seems to have come in with the 20th century, IMHO.

However, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion about President Obama, and I'm not gonna pick any nits there.

 

[Roy Munson]

*yawn*

I don't care which way you lean, American politics is a nauseating joke. The founding fathers would puke if they could see the last fifty years.

 

[LBoz]

One of my absolute favorite move quotes comes from the '94 movie "With Honors." Joe Pesci was amazing as the street bum who sat in as a guest during this lecture.

You asked a question,sir. Let me answer it. The genius of the constitution is that it can always be changed. The genius of the constitution is that it makes no permanent rule other than its faith in the wisdom of ordinary people to govern themselves. Mr. Picannon: The faith in the wisdom of ordinary people is exactly what makes the Consitution imcomplete and crude. Simon: Crude? No, sir. Our founding parents were pompous middle-aged white farmers, but they were also gret men, ebcause they knew one thing that all great men should know: that they didn't know everything. They knew they were going to make mistakes, but they made sure to leave a way to correct them. They didn't think of themselves as leaders. They wasted a government of citizens, not royalty. A government of listeners, not lecturers. A government that could change, not stand still. The president isn't an elected king, no matter how many bombs he can drop, because the crude Constitution doesn't trust him. He's a servant of the people. He's a bum. Ok, Mr. Picannon? He's just a bum. The only bliss that he's searching for is freedom and justice.

 

[kathylove]

"I don't care which way you lean, American politics is a nauseating joke. The founding fathers would puke if they could see the last fifty years."

No kidding!

The President is a politician. Pretty near all politicians will take credit for any possible positive thing they can find, and deny responsibility for any negative thing, if there is any possible way to get away with it. I expect him to act as most any other politician would.

There are EXTREMELY few politicians I am a fan of, including the present, and most of the recent, presidents. And almost all of Congress. Actually, I can't think of any I like a lot, but I know there have been a few. I just can't think of them right now.

 

[Michael823]

Politicians taking credit... to make themselves look good... but... this cannot be... there is no way that any administration, let alone the current one, would twist facts, or use public relations to make themselves look good.

 

[tyflier]

Right, but you do see the irony here, don't you?

What irony? It's ironic that I stated as my opinion that this situation is not worthy of being established as a thread? Or it's ironic that I think there are plenty of past Presidents which took credit for much more substantial programs and social victories that they had nothing to do with, and that THESE misrepresentations of ones own accomplishments would be more worthy of discussion? Or maybe

To be honest, Mike, there is nothing ironic about my statement. The fact that I replied to a thread in and of itself does not in any way shape or form imply that the therad is a worthy or substantial topic. My reply in a thread does not in any manner indicate that the topic of the thread is debateable, honest, up-to-date, reasonable, or any other vague adjective you'd care to associate with it.

When you actually consider what my reply was, it counts for even less as regards your attempt to use my reply as legitimcay for this thread.

I fail to see any irony at all...

Wait a minute, I just found the irony...someone started a thread with biased poll options about a political situation that hasn't yet occured. No wait, that's not irony...that's par for the course...:roll eyes:

 

[Pruddock]

He might be able to get more done if BOTH parties would stop sitting on their thumbs and whining about everything.

I actually want to use this quote to say that I HOPE that now that the Reps have taken away the 60 vote majority they DO sit on their thumbs. Have you listened to this guy's rhetoric or looked at historical facts? The administrations that seem to "do the most good" are ones where congress allowed them to do NOTHING AT ALL!!! The best government is one that barely exists.

 

[wilomn]

I actually want to use this quote to say that I HOPE that now that the Reps have taken away the 60 vote majority they DO sit on their thumbs. Have you listened to this guy's rhetoric or looked at historical facts? The administrations that seem to "do the most good" are ones where congress allowed them to do NOTHING AT ALL!!! The best government is one that barely exists.

Hindsight is 20/20 and youth is wasted on the young.

Would you really want this administration to sit on its collective thumb with things the way they are now? And don't forget, we had a huge budget surplus not too many years ago.

The thing about history, or looking back at it once it's become history, is you can see what happened. I'm pretty sure that if that wait and see stuff was the current policy we'd have riots happening right now.

If Obama and his crew do nothing you'll be lucky to survive, literally, to graduate college.

 

[tom e]

If it were just an issue of taking bets on what he'll say, I'd bet he'd something something to the extent of 'Employment has gone up x% since the stimulus package'. That will be true assuming it's up at all. If anyone wants him to show job losses (or more of them than there are) since the stimulus, I'm sorry for them that the census happened to come this year, but that's nothing for the President to be ashamed of. A lot of what any administration faces has little to do with his policies.

 

[Pruddock]

Hindsight is 20/20 and youth is wasted on the young.

Would you really want this administration to sit on its collective thumb with things the way they are now? And don't forget, we had a huge budget surplus not too many years ago.

The thing about history, or looking back at it once it's become history, is you can see what happened. I'm pretty sure that if that wait and see stuff was the current policy we'd have riots happening right now.

If Obama and his crew do nothing you'll be lucky to survive, literally, to graduate college.

Interesting. I graduated in December and seem to be doing just fine And a "huge budget surplus" is a serious overstatement. The reason the surplus even occurred was becuase there was a split between a repub congress and a democratic executive branch. Do you know what happens when this occurs? They sit on their thumbs just as they did. It's also interesting that as the .gov has become more and more involved over the last 85 years we've watched our country go further and further into foreign debt. Wouldn't you rather see them sit and spin and watch our debt come back down than pass ridiculous pork like the 1500 page healthcare bill that puts us so far into debt that this country is even more screwed financially than it was before? Trust me, I understand politics and economics well enough and would be interested to sit down with you and watch you choke on your "youth is wasted on the young" comment. Enjoy Lost Angeles.

 

[KJUN]

"The census has been guided by authorizing legislation since 1790."
"The Constitution of the United States of America: Article 1, Section 2 - Requiring a decennial census of population for the purpose of the apportionment of the House of Representatives and federal tax burden."


How can anyone think the CURRENT president deserves credit for jobs that were, in essence, created/mandated over 200 years ago?

I understand the first and last option, but I REALLY can't see how ANY current administration deserves credit for these jobs. It wasn't their idea or plan. Shrug?

As for the more recent replies, I haven't had a spare moment to read them (working to pay those taxes for those that won't work.....lol), but the votes for the middle options really confused me. I saw that, and I've been wondering if people really think the current guys/gals had anything to do with the census right now. I know people lack an understanding of American history and the constitution, but how could anyone be that uneducated about our own country...assuming those were votes by Americans, of course.

 

[tyflier]

"The census has been guided by authorizing legislation since 1790."
"The Constitution of the United States of America: Article 1, Section 2 - Requiring a decennial census of population for the purpose of the apportionment of the House of Representatives and federal tax burden."


How can anyone think the CURRENT president deserves credit for jobs that were, in essence, created/mandated over 200 years ago?

As far as I can tell, nobody said he DID deserve. What people have said is that it isn't a big deal, and that EVERY President would have taken credit. There's a difference between saying every President would and/or should take credit in a time like this and saying "Obama's the man! He created the census jobs!" NOBODY has made that second statement...

I understand the first and last option, but I REALLY can't see how ANY current administration deserves credit for these jobs. It wasn't their idea or plan. Shrug?

None does. There isn't a person alive today that deserves credit for these jobs. But that's not the point. The point, which I'm sure you'll glaze right over and never read before replying, is that ALL Presidents in outr history would take credit if they were currently President.

As for the more recent replies, I haven't had a spare moment to read them (working to pay those taxes for those that won't work.....lol), but the votes for the middle options really confused me. I saw that, and I've been wondering if people really think the current guys/gals had anything to do with the census right now. I know people lack an understanding of American history and the constitution, but how could anyone be that uneducated about our own country...assuming those were votes by Americans, of course.

Yea...we're ALL working to pay for those that don't work. ice try, though...

As for the replies...what do yuo expect? You post bogus replies that are obviously biased and you expect people to realiastically choose one with honesty?

The poll is garbage, with a garbage question, and garbage options for answers. Why would you expect anything but garbage results? :shrugs:

And just for the record...I didn't answer your poll because I think it is a silly waste of time. As an adult, I have much better things to do than contemplate how horrible Obama is for getting elected President right now. Evidently, you have plenty of time for this. Must not be working TOO hard to pay those taxes...:nope:

 

[diamondlil]

KJUn, just an observation or two; politicians who don't use every oportunity they can to their advantage won't get very far in their careers! They will scheme, strive and fight to make their policies look better than anyone else's, otherwise they won't get elected. It's simply what all politicians do. So why does any such manoeuvering require a poll? Are you asking how much of the political system the members on here understand? Are you suggesting any administration would ignore an opportunity to look good?
Which political party in existence would not promote themselves? Can you name a politician who would hold their hands up and say 'I have nothing to do with these new jobs, my integrity is such that I cannot possibly take any credit'?

 

[mike17l]

Can you name a politician who would hold their hands up and say 'I have nothing to do with these new jobs, my integrity is such that I cannot possibly take any credit'?

I can, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Adams, Jackson, Van Buren..., Reagan. And it pretty much stops there. Of course, there are the obvious few in that ... zone that should be excluded.

 

[Nroc]

He will probably take some credit.

Is there an understood minimum number people that are required for a census? Is he hiring more than that number?

Are they working more hours? Did they start sooner?

Administrering something that wouljd naturally happen every 10 years does take some of the wind out of his sails, but it's HOW you administer it that will make a difference. If his is the most expensive census yet, you can bet that he will make it known that more money has been given out this year than in previous years. That is sort of a positive accomplishment for a liberal from a liberal perspective.

If he is spending more on the census, then more money could be going to census employees (in theory).