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COHABBING QUESTIONS AND ADVICE

If using the words "co habbing azz" is an infractionable offense, I would prefer Nanci doing the honors. I am tired of getting all my infractions from Susan. :)

Actually, AFAIK, "ass" is not considered profanity. It may not be terribly polite, but is not banned from prime time television or radio. Not even close to the same as saying FU to another forum member, much less a child.
 
@scotty I believe I sent new keepers on the right path when I sent them toward snickersnakes in my opening post I made this link for those of us that have decided to cohab and need community help with our endeavors. As far as your infraction I to would prefer it come from nanci since she issued mine for the 2 letters I posted.

My enclosure for the corns is about 64 inches long 27 inches wide and 49 inches tall it is a matching piece to the boa tank they make a entertainment center and the hognose enclosure is the middle piece. The beardeies are in a coffee table enclosure that is a octagon with 19 inch sides and it is right at 20 inches tall

See, this is what you are not understanding...this community for the most part is against co habbing. This community for the most part knows it is not the proper way to keep snakes. So why in the world would you expect this community to help co habbers with their endeavors? Why?

That is like saying "I like to beat my dog. I am looking for support in my endeavors by others in my dog forum".
 
Oh I didn't realize that the OP was the same person. Shame on me. :headbang: You have already proven yourself childish and to stubborn, so therefore you are not worth my time. :wavey: Have a wonderful Christmas!!
 
@scotty I believe I sent new keepers on the right path when I sent them toward snickersnakes in my opening post I made this link for those of us that have decided to cohab and need community help with our endeavors. As far as your infraction I to would prefer it come from nanci since she issued mine for the 2 letters I posted.

My enclosure for the corns is about 64 inches long 27 inches wide and 49 inches tall it is a matching piece to the boa tank they make a entertainment center and the hognose enclosure is the middle piece. The beardeies are in a coffee table enclosure that is a octagon with 19 inch sides and it is right at 20 inches tall

Chris- With all due respect, that tank is not big enough to cohab three corns, I have successfully divided tanks to hold multiple snakes with plexi and aquarium cement. Might be a good compromise in your case. Three 21" x 27" sections with some climbing branches would be fine for three corns and make a great display. The trick is building it in such a way that they cant slip into each others sections.

Just a suggestion.....

Scott
 
Just my two cents and I am aware that this is not a bearded dragon forum, but an adult dragon needs at least a 40g breeder tank. Since you have three dragons, I am not sure that your enclosure is adequate. It would depend on the ages and sizes of your dragons. I am curious as to how you set that up being an octagon like that.
 
Nanci that is absurd because you are of the same opinion of someone or opposed to another should not influence your ability to be impartial are you telling me that FU is not acceptable on network television or the radio you have a job as a moderator to be fair and impartial not to be bias and show favoritism
 
big chris- I believe I _am_ fair and impartial. Whether another member receives an infraction or not, for what offense, is really none of your concern.
 
It is my concern when you levied a infraction against me for far less simply because you disagree with me. If you want to go by what is acceptable on tv then we can take this childish name calling to an entirely new level if not do your freaking job
 
Chris your enclosures are not nearly big enough to house everything you have in them.

In other news....I smell a "fella" coming.
 
Yup. There's definitely a "fella" or two in your future.

Note: Trying to start a flame war with a mod always = bad end.
 
It is my concern when you levied a infraction against me for far less simply because you disagree with me. If you want to go by what is acceptable on tv then we can take this childish name calling to an entirely new level if not do your freaking job

You can believe what you choose to believe, big chris, but I am telling you I treat every person fairly.

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I'd like to ask you to please stop antagonizing me.
 
Chris, I have a suggestion for you (unrelated to this specific issue). I am finding your posts very hard to read. If you want your posts to be easily read and understood, you might consider using proper punctuation and grammar. It is very frustrating to see a huge block of text that is all one run-on sentence.
 
Now if someone wants to start a thread on how to be the biggest bully on the school yard bethany I'm sure you will have plenty to contribute if they want to start a thread on being condescending well alicat that's right up your well alley. But this is not we all know your opinion and we just don't care

And statements like these will, in the future, be considered abusive toward other members.
 
Big Chris, I want to see your research about cohabbing and the benefits of it. In many of your post you have stated that for every article that is against cohabbing you can find 5 that are pro cohabbing. If you supply proof from a creditable source more of us would be willing to leave you alone. I honestly cant find anyone or any article by scientist that say snakes become lonely.
But I honestly believe you started this post to get some of us up in arms so that you can have a poor pitty party about how everyone picks on you and demanding the mods to hand out infractions. It really seems like you did it on purpose to start more fights. JMHO
 
It is my concern when you levied a infraction against me for far less simply because you disagree with me. If you want to go by what is acceptable on tv then we can take this childish name calling to an entirely new level if not do your freaking job

The post you got an infraction for was this one:
This is going no where we have gone back and forth between name calling and passing judgment. I am not sorry I started the tread I got a lot of really strong opinions and whether you believe it or not that's why I started the thread for opinions but telling me my 13 year old dog would be happier somewhere else FU kid I'm done with this tonight we aren't getting anywhere or accomplishing anything.

Sorry, but I completely agree with Nanci on this one. Saying "FU kid" is no where near the same category as saying "azz". I do suggest you learn the difference in what is appropriate material on a public message board of this nature.
 
This thread make me hurt..

On a side note:

"big chris has not made any friends yet"

LOL. That made me laugh.




I personally think the intent of his thread is just to spin people up for fun (me thinks he enjoys watching that too ;) ).
 
You can take your list and blow it out your well even though its acceptable I doubt the rules would be the same for me but you get the idea. I felt I gave you the proper respect you deserved in this issue in my opening thread I thought I gave you the proper respect you deserved on the day you handed out the infraction with my apologies but you don't deserve it if you can't enforce your own guidelines.
 
I'm rather curious about the bearded dragons.. The snake cohabbing has been beaten to death and back (and, I agree, just not worth it... If you want snakes that can live happily in groups, get rid of your corns, etc, and get garter snakes. Corn snakes, Hognoses, and boas just are not made for communal living, no matter how happy it makes you...), but I'd like to get a word in regarding the beardies.

It has been brought up already, bearded dragons, like snakes, are not social creatures. I can vouch for this: At one point, I had 3 bearded dragons. The two females came to me as adults already living together, and showing it: One was much larger than the other, both were missing a fair chunk of tail, and one had a permanently deformed hand--missing most of one toe, with the neighboring 3 toes stunted and bent at odd angles from breaking and never being properly treated. I chose to leave them together, though, under close supervision, since despite past injuries they seemed to do alright together. They proved me wrong, some 2 months into my care: The smaller female attacked the larger, injuring one of her feet. I was lucky it wasn't worse (i.e., she didn't sever another toe, and, for that matter, didn't bite her in a more delicate spot--like her head), and smartly chose to separate them to avoid worse happening.

I tried housing them together once again, some 6 months or so later, due to one of their enclosures getting broken beyond repair. They did NOT enjoy it. One refused food for the first few days and only picked for a week (both, when housed alone, are total gluttons and eat everything in sight), both were edgy and nervous, and this was all in a 6 foot enclosure: In theory, big enough for 2 dragons. They would avoid each other during outdoor basking sessions, too, whether or not they were living in the same enclosure at the time. Given the chance, they went their separate ways and avoided the "competition."

As a matter of fact, I eventually chose to rehome both the females for the simple reason that maintaining 3 bearded dragons, housed separately, was too much work for me. Could I have put them in the same enclosure? Saved so much of that work and made having 3 "doable"? Sure... But it would NOT have been fair to the dragons, so I chose to find homes for the two girls, where they would live happy, spoiled lives, away from other dragons.

Another instance I've experienced: I worked at a pet store for the better part of a year, and we usually had a batch of 5-10 beardie babies in stock at any time. We never, ever had a 100% survival rate while I worked there, not even close. The reason? Bullying issues. Beardies are NOT social, and their instincts tell them to dominate other beardies in the area and restrict them from food. Even when we got down to just 2 beardies in the enclosure, we'd still have that problem, because that instinct is still there. The more dominant of the pair would still bully the other quite literally to death by starvation. The only time we were able to totally avoid problems with the beardies was when there was only one in the enclosure. It would thrive, do very well, and the only difference between then and when there was more than 1 beardie? Numbers! ONE beardie does GREAT. MORE than one, they do awful!

Now that my rant is past, I'd like to ask how big your enclosure is. You said it's an octagon with 19" sides, but, quite frankly, my math sucks and I can't find a single math calculator that can solve it for me. What is the diameter, from one side to the side immediately opposite? How many basking sites do you have? How big are your beardies, and how old are they? What sexes are they, if you know?

I'm tempted to go so far as asking basic care questions here... Whether you even have UVB lighting, for example, as, if you haven't seen significant bullying issues yet (one growing exceptionally larger while another fails to thrive; injuries; etc), I'm willing to bet there's something wrong with your care regiment that has them regarding each other in such a "docile" manner.

I'm probably wasting my time, I know, but I feel it needs to be discussed... (Forgive me if it has been already; this and the home study are the only of this guy's threads I've bothered reading.)
 
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