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COHABBING QUESTIONS AND ADVICE

You can take your list and blow it out your well even though its acceptable I doubt the rules would be the same for me but you get the idea. I felt I gave you the proper respect you deserved in this issue in my opening thread I thought I gave you the proper respect you deserved on the day you handed out the infraction with my apologies but you don't deserve it if you can't enforce your own guidelines.

Wow, now I would call that threatening a Mod. Rich already stated he stands behind his mods decision! Nuff Said!

I think you enjoy being angry and enjoying making a totally fool out of yourself. The only person I see in this thread with a threating demianor is you Big Chris!

If this site and it's members, mods or owner felt that cohabbing was perfectly safe, there probably would be a sticky stating just that!
 
You can take your list and blow it out your well even though its acceptable I doubt the rules would be the same for me but you get the idea. I felt I gave you the proper respect you deserved in this issue in my opening thread I thought I gave you the proper respect you deserved on the day you handed out the infraction with my apologies but you don't deserve it if you can't enforce your own guidelines.

...Oh. Well, that last post was an hour wasted. I don't suspect you'll last long, insulting our wonderful moderators and site owner like you are... Oh well. Farewell.
 
It is my concern when you levied a infraction against me for far less simply because you disagree with me.

And while we're airing everything out, let's examine that statement.

In your original thread, Cannibal Corn???, I didn't even enter into the discussion until post 94, in which I linked a very good article on cohabitation, not written by me, which outlined some common arguments against cohabitation. This article also presented graphic visual evidence that snakes can and do eat cagemates.

In response to a comment that the thread was growing tiresome, I responded:

I'm sure we can drag it out for a few hundred more posts all saying the same thing, though.

Your snakes might die if you cohab ∞

I don't care, they might not ∞


Again, just stating what I believe to be a factual distillation of the eventual outcome of all cohabitation threads.

In post 119 I asked people in general to stop calling you names:

Please stop calling the OP names, no matter how thinly-veiled.

In post 126 I explained to you that Rich, the forum owner, would rather we work things out instead of locking threads:

No, the only posts deleted here are spam, sorry. It would also take an act of God (aka Rich Z) to lock a thread. We are encouraged to work things out while maintaining productive discussion.

And finally, in post 133, when you bemoaned the fact that no one seemed to agree with you, I pointed out the simple fact:

See, we _can't_ guarantee cohabbing is safe. The only way to guarantee your snakes are safe from the multitude of bad things that _could_ befall them while cohabbed (and _do_ happen, to people we know, not anonymous people on the Internet) is to keep them separately. End of story. Either your pleasure from watching them interact with each other is worth more to you than their lives, or it is not. But once the snakes die, you can't take it back.

I don't understand why anyone would take the chance. It seems quite selfish.

Anything you have to add to that is just blah blah blah blah I don't care if my snakes die.

We've offered proof that it can happen; you don't care.


I'm just stating the facts, Chris. There IS NO guarantee that cohabitation is safe. There are numerous dangers that can befall two or more snakes simply from the act of housing them together. The only way you can absolutely protect them from any of the outlined sources of injury or death is to keep them separately.

It's not _picking on you_, it's not _attacking you_, it's trying to demonstrate to you that there are two camps: people who only put their snakes together for a short amount of time for breeding purposes, and people who routinely house their snakes in groups. In the latter camp you have newbies, who perhaps have not been made aware of the potential, and not unlikely, dangers of keeping snakes together. And there are snake-keepers, with years of experience, who provide elaborate, natural, spacious enclosures, who at least _know_ the risks are out there, and make an informed decision. That is not to say those snakes can't or won't ever be stressed or injured or killed by a cagemate.

We, the forum in general, for the most part, have a hard time understanding why when, having been presented with personal anecdotal evidence, you would wish to impose this risk upon your beloved pets. But probably most of us don't really care what your eventual decision is; we just want you to make an informed decision.
 
I actually belong to several forums on snakes, one for ball pythons, one for aussie snakes, one for constrictors and one for boas. None of the major players or breeders on any of those other forums recommend cohabbing snakes! So its not just corn snake owners or breeders that dont agree!
 
Why do people who make bad decisions always get so upset when it's pointed out? Out of embrassment, resentment? To just be obstinate? If you want to win people over to your side of an argument/debate, keeping your cool and having a very good defense is your best bet. If someone can't do that, it's usually because there is no good defense and they just lash out in retaliation. I always try to see both sides (or more sides) of a situation, but I also am willing to accept good advice and maybe change my stance if I realise that someone else's point is valid and better, and I am capable of admitting it. It's the sign of a mature person to realise this. I'm not always that mature, but I try.
 
I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but how does the general snake-keeping population feel about having two (or maybe more) snakes out together at one time, but housed separately? I sometimes like to take pictures of my two corns together (they're both female), but I don't leave them unsupervised and I watch their behavior to make sure there's no twitching or anything going on. Is that alright or is it not recommended?
 
Personally supervised and have a way to get away from each other. I don't have a problem with. However, in your situation you want to remember to quarantine all new snakes for a few months, no matter who you get them from. You would hate for the new addition to have something and give it to the snakes you already have.
 
I cohab all my sankes. Never had an issue...

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I can tell by the body language on the brown one that it is stressed. It is only a matter of time before it eats it's tank mate.
 
You can take your list and blow it out your well even though its acceptable I doubt the rules would be the same for me but you get the idea. I felt I gave you the proper respect you deserved in this issue in my opening thread I thought I gave you the proper respect you deserved on the day you handed out the infraction with my apologies but you don't deserve it if you can't enforce your own guidelines.

I guess you like walking on thin ice, don't you fella?
 
big chris, I am very disappointed. I supported your right to at least be able to voice your opinion without fear of being attacked and persecuted by those of opposing opinions. But then you had to prove to the entire forum that my first impression was so far out in left field that the ball got lost. You have made multiple statements in this thread concerning the moderators and how they do their job that I find, as one of those moderators, personally objectionable. You owe Nanci a huge apology...and so do I.

Nanci, I'm sorry if any statement I have made concerning this issue has offended you. I was simply trying to support the rights of "the little guy" in a battle against the majority. While that battle is still a righteous one, IMO, I just picked the wrong "little guy".
 
Ok...a day late & a dollar short...such is life! Hmmm...not much i can say that hasn't been said already.perhaps a suggestion? Maybe you should keep goldfish?
 
It's a hybird...2 strikes!

Airenlow, you are a mean person. There is Eastern Milksnake in that "hybrid" and it looks like it is going to eat that Corn snake. If it is not Eastern Milksnake then it has to be Brown Cali. Kingsnake. Shame on you. LOL :poke: :poke:

Sorry, for the :-offtopic
 
I can't believe you'd cohab that brown hybrid and your corn! Gosh!

Oh, and to the thought of having snakes out together, I take my motley and my anery out together once in a while to hold, but they have separate cages.
 
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