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COHABBING QUESTIONS AND ADVICE

Someone mentioned a regurge earlier. I will agree from experience, I had it happen. I thought my snakes would be ok together until I got my new vivs. Fortunately they were, but I had a regurge and had no way of knowing who. I assumed (incorrectly I think) that it was one snake.

then I got my new vivs and had another regurge. Guess what, it was not the same snake that I thought initially did it. I will never for sure know, but my guess is that the one who did it while they were combined is the one who did it when I separated them. Now, I don't have to worry about anything like that. Which I admit, is very nice after I had a scare like that.

I finally read enough on here to convince me to order separate cages, thinking/hoping it would be ok til they arrived. Then the regurge. I think everyone is ok now, but like I said, I'll never know for sure and obviously if you have a regurge you need to know who did it so it doesn't happen again.
 
cmalchow said:
Personally supervised and have a way to get away from each other. I don't have a problem with. However, in your situation you want to remember to quarantine all new snakes for a few months, no matter who you get them from. You would hate for the new addition to have something and give it to the snakes you already have.
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Whoopsies, I didn't even think of that! Hopefully the new corn is clean. :eek:
 
I can't believe someone really did this!!

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I can fully understand people having a different opinion, but honestly, do you think actively trying to belittle someone with a differing opinion is in good taste?
 
(The green mamba/gabboon viper thing? That's super-old! It's just funny- not meant as anything personal!)
 
Well, it's not _really_ funny, I can't believe someone would keep those two snakes together- but it's funny that I came across it in whatever I was searching for at the time.
 
I just sat down and read yet another co-habbing thread. GREAT, here it goes again. I understand the question the OP put out there. I know plenty of people who co-hab. Most of them have been owning snakes for many, many years. They know the behavior, and sex of each snake and still will tell other people to make sure NOT to co-hab. Why? I tend to think it's because they know something. Experience is Education. I quote:

big chris said:
"Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence." - Robert Frost
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Listening...hmmmm I believe your own quote needs to be given back to you. Opening your thoughts to other, even if you do not take there advise. Debating the issue when your outnumbered 100 to 1, Not very wise and you will lose, and just annoy everyone. Perhaps this is the reason the question was asked in the first place.

AliCat37 said:
Reptiles are not humans, they don't have the ability to be lonely. They are solitary animals, only coming together for breeding- the same that happens in captivity.
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I don't like when people give snakes human emotions either. I would dare to say that they have some emotions, But solitary none the less. Here is my number one reason I don't co-hab. Stress can build up over time, just because they don't show any illness or aggression at this time doesn't mean in a year or more they won't. The guy that gave me this advice has about 100 snakes of all diferent types and he has a couple of pair of co-habbers. But then again he has been owning and caring for reptiles for more than 30 years.

airenlow said:
I cohab all my sankes. Never had an issue...

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Freakin Funny, Love the Brown king Mamba boa
 
I do believe that things tend to get a little heated, when a normal debate would serve the same; if not a better purpose. I do really dislike seeing people attack each other over person opinions.

BUT ALSO before you open a thread such as this TRY to have the best conditions set aside for the animal's favor so that you may have a valid argument. The reason why I am saying this is due to the fact that it is fairly clear that the OP did not try to apply the best conditions for his snakes if he wants to cohab them. The tanks are not nearly big enough, for either species - it's pretty torturous for an animal who's proven via research (here goes the 'intelligence' or 'education' factor that the OP brought up at the beginning of the thread) to be kept in small cramped living conditions together, where they are unable to get away from each other.

To the OP: IF YOU HAD a decent set up, such as the majority of Europeans do; i.e. meaning larger, with the snakes' benefits in mind such as providing them hides in different locations, where they don't have to ever see each other if they don't want to... you'd have my support (and probably many others). But to forcibly place them in an environment, where they are forced to interact whether they want to or not (keeping in mind that they are naturally solitary), just for personal enjoyment, IS pretty distasteful.
I'd like to think that on average I'm a pretty level headed person, who TRIES to give the benefit of the doubt in most circumstances. I don't usually comment in threads like this.
 
big chris said:
entertaining to watch the snakes together watch one doing one thing while another does something different.
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What's interesting is that I have all my snakes in their own separate cage, and if I want to I can watch one doing one thing, while another does something different! They don't need to be in the same cage for me to watch them doing something different...

I think we've already established (from his own mouth) that this guy cohabs purely for his own benefit. Any new person who stumbles across this thread only has to read a couple of posts in to find the general consensus of the forum concerning cohabbing. If we stop posting in this thread, it will eventually die and be buried like many others before it. Therefore, this is my first and last post in this thread. Peace.
 
Nanci said:
Well, it's not _really_ funny, I can't believe someone would keep those two snakes together- but it's funny that I came across it in whatever I was searching for at the time.
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Huh...maybe I am being dense but I think the green snake is fake...that's why "it wouldn't work out".
 
AliCat37 said:
Floof, I was going to bring up the same points you did about the beardies but I've written big chris off as a lost cause a long time ago. Just to add some pictures to your well written post though, here is a link of beardies that had been cohabbed (and some that were just out for "play" time together):

http://www.beardeddragon.org/bjive/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=154908
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That is an excellent link, thanks for posting it! Admittedly I hardly get on BD.org, though I'm a member, and I totally missed that thread. Definitely keeping that one in mind, if this subject comes up again.

Big Chris, if there's some small chance that you aren't a completely lost cause, please at least read that thread and take a long, hard look at the pics. Bearded dragons can and will maim their cagemates, tearing off limbs and tails, dealing potentially fatal blows to the "soft bits" (heads, abdomens), leaving you with hundreds if not thousands in vet bills trying to save the victim, as often as not to no avail. I don't care how interesting it is to watch them interact, it's just not worth it for their health.

For that matter, you DON'T need them to live together to watch them interact! Someone mentioned this already: You can watch two different snakes do two different things WITHOUT having them live together... The same goes for beardies. When I still had my 2 females, I had to move them both to a totally separate room because their presence and across-the-room interaction had my male so worked up he wouldn't eat. I still kept them in the same room later, and often could simply sit and watch them race around, arm-waving and head-bobbing across the room, when they so felt like it. You know the best part? I got to enjoy the exact benefit that you claim is the only reason you cohabitate, WITHOUT having to cohabitate.

Now either you're completely dense, and will still refuse to admit that you're wrong on this, or we come to the real reason you cohab: Quite hypocritically, the exact reason you told readers not to cohab for. Considering the fact that you can still happily observe all of your animals without having to put them through the rigors and stress of cohabitation, blowing your already weak argument for cohabitation out of the water, what else is there? Oh, right. Convenience for the owner, and the opportunity to save space/money.

Like you said, if you don't have the room and money to provide for more than one snake (or, in your case, 7 snakes and 3 beardies--if I counted right), then you shouldn't HAVE 7 snakes and 3 beardies...

But, then, why should you listen to your own advice if you won't even consider ours, eh?

(Okay, I think I'm really done ranting this time..)

Wow, I really didn't intend to make such a long post, LOL. I was just going to thank AliCat for posting the link to that fantastic article and be on my way.

Ah well. It feels good to vent. Even if it does fall on deaf ears.

*Making a serious effort to make this my LAST post on a Big Chris thread. Really!*
 
Floof said:
Big Chris, if there's some small chance that you aren't a completely lost cause, please at least read that thread and take a long, hard look at the pics. Bearded dragons can and will maim their cagemates, tearing off limbs and tails, dealing potentially fatal blows to the "soft bits" (heads, abdomens), leaving you with hundreds if not thousands in vet bills trying to save the victim, as often as not to no avail. I don't care how interesting it is to watch them interact, it's just not worth it for their health.

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It is obvious that he does not care about his animals.
Why would you think he would bother taking any of them to a vet?
 
This thread is really nothing but a vicious circle. There is no point in arguing about co habitation, because it is obvious that no matter how much you try to stop it, no matter how many dangers you point out, there will always be people who co-habitate (in this case for rather selfish reasons). All we can do as responsible pet owners is to provide the best care possible for our animals, and not concern ourselves with the risky practices of irresponsible ones.
 
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