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My right to bear arms is under fire right now.

My stance on gun control might come from the fact that we are a military family. I also believe in the constitution and what it stand for. I don't think stricter gun laws are going to change the random acts of violence from those that have evil in them.

I agree with Su
The issue of owning guns should be second to the issue of ways to stop these people before they commit these crimes.

I will continue to own my guns, educate my family on the safety and proper use and pray to God that I never have to use them to take another human beings life. But I be damned if I was prepared to protect what is most valuable to me, my family.
 
Actually, in my opinion, you expressed a verbal threat of impending physical harm. Apparently he believed your threat, and you gave him grounds to give you a defensive reason to NOT proceed with your threat. Cowardice or not, if someone expresses such a threat of imminent harm to me, they will get the same response out of me. My intent would be to display a "oh no you won't" type of response. THAT is exactly what the CCW is for. Self defense. Self defense does not have to wait until after you are laying on the ground bleeding.


The way I look at is this, if someone can run their mouth and cause things to escalate to the point where I am telling them I am going to stomp them then they should be able to take their butt whoopin like a man instead of pulling a gun. So to me it does go to cowardice. I do not just tell random folks without good provocation that I am going to stomp them.
 
Bob- your brother pulled a gun on you? And he's in law enforcement? Nice. Not saying it's okay for brothers to beat the crap out of each other, but he'd threaten to kill you?

My brother suffers from well, narcissim as well as his cowardice. And that day I had took enough of his bs. And on that day he saw that he couldn't hide behind family any more and had pushed me past my limits. It is kinda the same reason I wound up with Doofy, he got him to be this viscious watch dog and the poor thing doesn't have it in him.
 
I don't know ATPSS, I mean if current gun control laws actually worked, wouldn't those victims still be alive?

No, Criminals don't care about the law, no matter what law it is. The law worked, and he decided to get the guns somewhere else, and killed his mother in the process.

Seems to me with the laws in place now, the killer is still capable of killing, but the victims are not capable of defending themselves.

That is why I keep stressing the need for law abiding citizens to be able to keep their firearms.

I know I would much rather be able to protect my household/family/friends/person on the street corner, in the couple of second that it takes me to draw and fire, than have them or me laying on the ground in a pool of
our own blood.
 
Yes, that part worked. But what does it matter when the end result is the same?

Laws or not, if someone wants to doing something like that they will.

It's illegal to break in to homes, cars, and businesses, but people stilll do it.

You have to be smarter than the criminal, make them not want to do something because the penalties are high. Put an armed resource officer at every school in america and bet money there will be improvement over time.
 
Bloomberg is already calling for an assault weapons ban -the one gun he left in the car. When searching for solutions, we need to make sure that they actually solve the problems at hand.
 
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Put an armed resource officer at every school in america and bet money there will be improvement over time.

While this may sound fine on the surface, in my opinion, it simply negates the fact that people have to take responsibility for their own safety and protection, NOT delegate that responsibility and authority to the government. All this winds up doing is further tilting the balance of power away from the citizens to the government. The ultimate result of such thinking, of course, will be that NO ONE needs to be armed because of all the kindly officers we have stationed within shouting distance and direct line of sight all across the country.

If an armed resource office is granted the privilege to have a gun in any given area, then why should that privilege be denied to anyone else? Certainly ALL of the staff at any given school can't be afraid to make the safety of the students part of their official responsibilities, can they? Certainly they all can't view guns as venomous serpents lashing out randomly at everyone who touches one.

So, perhaps the best course is to just admit that this experiment with gun free zones has failed miserably and look for a better solution that won't actually allow people to be killed more easily because there is NO effective defense against it in those places.
 
While this may sound fine on the surface, in my opinion, it simply negates the fact that people have to take responsibility for their own safety and protection, NOT delegate that responsibility and authority to the government. All this winds up doing is further tilting the balance of power away from the citizens to the government. The ultimate result of such thinking, of course, will be that NO ONE needs to be armed because of all the kindly officers we have stationed within shouting distance and direct line of sight all across the country.

If an armed resource office is granted the privilege to have a gun in any given area, then why should that privilege be denied to anyone else? Certainly ALL of the staff at any given school can't be afraid to make the safety of the students part of their official responsibilities, can they? Certainly they all can't view guns as venomous serpents lashing out randomly at everyone who touches one.

So, perhaps the best course is to just admit that this experiment with gun free zones has failed miserably and look for a better solution that won't actually allow people to be killed more easily because there is NO effective defense against it in those places.



The resource officers would be members of local law enforcement. Either police or sheriff's deputies from the community. That way people know them and trust them. No way you want something like that in hands of fed-gov. Keep it within the scope of the state so you have a little flexibility depending on the areas.

I agree 100% that people need to be responsible for their own safety, but that is hard to convince everyone of. The soft heart, "this will never happen here and guns are icky" people will not allow a large number of guns to be carried in schools. It does not mater whether or not teachers would agree to be armed or not, the sheeple would rail against it.

Using a resource officer is a concession and a way to placate both sides.

The people who want another safeguard get it, and the anti-gun people are happy with the controlled aspect of a well trained LEO being in the position.

Gun-free zones are an utter and complete failure, but no one in an authority position wants to admit it. Everyone in safety and security commission knows it, but you won't catch them saying it in public. I've seen the data and it is sickening.

Surveys of parents is also very disheartening. They make it seem like they would rather leave their children open to slaughter, than have even a single gun on the property.

People need to realize that violence is here and we have to protect ourselves and our children. It's not about putting an armed officer on every city block. It's about teaching people how to be aware and report issues, along with how to protect yourself in the event it does happen.

Everyone should read this: On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs - Dave Grossman

I am a sheepdog. It is my job to protect and secure. I would step between any one of you and dangerous person. It's my job and my life's work to figure how to keep wolves from getting through.
 
We have armed SRO's at my school. You'll be ' pleased' to know, their office is located to the opposite extreme of the front office, quite literally as far as you could possibly get from our main point of entry. Also, they are almost never visible on campus.

An armed assailant could easily take out 20 before they could ever even hope to be in the vicinity of making a difference. Why you ask? I haven't an @&$/ing clue.

We were issued specific protocol involving being "more visible" on Monday... Why, not because it will make a difference, strictly a nonsensical PR jesture, per the usual.

This is the ass backwards society we live in.
 
We have armed SRO's at my school. You'll be ' pleased' to know, their office is located to the opposite extreme of the front office, quite literally as far as you could possibly get from our main point of entry. Also, they are almost never visible on campus.

An armed assailant could easily take out 20 before they could ever even hope to be in the vicinity of making a difference. Why you ask? I haven't an @&$/ing clue.

We were issued specific protocol involving being "more visible" on Monday... Why, not because it will make a difference, strictly a nonsensical PR jesture, per the usual.

This is the ass backwards society we live in.

Yep. I believe it.

It's because, heaven forbid, they are actually allowed to police.

It's not about brandishing a weapon, it's not about restricting the students, it's about standing between them and whatever means them harm.
 
Actually, in my opinion, you expressed a verbal threat of impending physical harm. Apparently he believed your threat, and you gave him grounds to give you a defensive reason to NOT proceed with your threat. Cowardice or not, if someone expresses such a threat of imminent harm to me, they will get the same response out of me. My intent would be to display a "oh no you won't" type of response. THAT is exactly what the CCW is for. Self defense. Self defense does not have to wait until after you are laying on the ground bleeding.

Sorry rich, I respect you, but you are off here. People don't buy non-guns, polish them, shoot them, like them more than a steak dinner. I will move on in hours and think on a different subject. The obsession is a problem, if not for the gun owner, for the next generation watching (succinctly and timely: his children).
 
People also don't feed snakes they don't have mice that don't exist. That argument means absolutely nothing.
 
It is true.

My entire career is based on threat assessment and response. I have studied trends, methods, and patterns of violent attacks for years. Violent minded people target the areas of least resistance. There are plenty of government studies that back up the psychological aspect of it.

Simply giving police the power to effectivly police again would solve some of it. Using trained armed security, does not have to be a large force, would help even more. You don't have to go over the top with it.

Interesting. Admittedly, I have not studied threat assessment. As an academic though, I would be interested in looking at data and evaluating the samples collected, the way 'violent minded people' is defined, and to what extent age and mental illness are addressed as variables. (my interest, of course, piqued by the events in newtown.)
 
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