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My right to bear arms is under fire right now.

As you know it was a different world when you were 18.

It takes about 10 minutes for someone to fill out the form and call it in. I've done it for every gun I've ever purchase and never felt inconvenienced. To me it's no different than filling out the paperwork to transfer the title of a car. If I were selling a gun I'd welcome the peace of mind of knowing that the person buying it wasn't released from prison 10 minutes ago.
 
Do those of you posting link after link have any real thoughts of your own? I could make any statement and find one or more articles on the internet that would agree with it no matter how crazy it might sound.
 
Do those of you posting link after link have any real thoughts of your own? I could make any statement and find one or more articles on the internet that would agree with it no matter how crazy it might sound.

Do you not read my posts? I don't just post link after link. You truly are just grasping for straws here. You have no valid argument and you refuse to site what you say with proof.

Most the links posted are proof of our argument. Where are yours?

Oh wait, you just like using emotion to try to prove your argument, right?

I have grown tired of you now. Adios!
 
Did you even read my posts? I'm not advocating banning all guns. I have guns myself. No law-abiding citizen needs an AR-15 for personal defense. The gun show loop hole enables any crazy person to walk up to a table an purchase a gun or two or three. The argument against it is that it causes too great of an incovenience for the buyer and seller?
Where are these gun show loopholes? Do you have documentation of this? I've never heard of this.
While I do not have guns myself, I have several family members & friends that do.

If you really think that an eating utensile and a gun are similar, then I'm sorry but I'm not able to have an intelligent conversation with you.

I didn't say it was similar in that aspect.Let me put it this way.... blaming the weapons is as rediculous as blaming silverware for obesity/medical conditions caused by eating bad foods.
 
Do those of you posting link after link have any real thoughts of your own? I could make any statement and find one or more articles on the internet that would agree with it no matter how crazy it might sound.

So what is the point you are trying to make?

All I see you posting the derisive, straw grabbing waffle.

You make an awful lot of noise, yet say very little.
 
True. Gun grabbers are rarely logical but rely heavily on the emotion of the moment.

Logic would tell someone with an honest unbiased inspection or the situation that the honest facts are pointing to either one of two things:
  1. Either the increasing number of gun laws and restrictions actually cause more crime, or
  2. Whatever factors that are truly causing an increase in crime have absolutely nothing at all to do with whatever issues the gun laws are really affecting.

So what does this all have to say about the effectiveness and practical utility of gun laws? :crazy01:
 
Do those of you posting link after link have any real thoughts of your own? I could make any statement and find one or more articles on the internet that would agree with it no matter how crazy it might sound.

You disagree with the assertions of most people in the thread, fair enough. But...
You won't hear the arguments of those that disagree with you.
You suggest meeting up for magical games with toys to prove your point with those that disagree with you.
You ignore data, stats, facts on the subject by those that disagree with you.
You make wildly inaccurate statements (500 guns/table) to those that disagree with you.
You ignore the request to clarify your point for those who disagree with you.
You call BS on those that disagree with you.
You ask for proof from those that disagree with you.
You won't read the links of those that disagree with you.
And I know you aren't a troll. I think you're less than honest, but I think you communicate how you are feeling right now. I just wish you'd discuss it like a man. "WOW I guess 20 dead kids isn't enough!" isn't going to change anyone's mind or heart, dude. If you could work on not making people dislike you that you debate with in the future, that would be the one tip I'd offer. Even over lying, exaggerating, and appealing to emotion.
 

You apparently don't read ours, why would we read yours?

Clearly you did not read it. :sobstory:

I will happily debate until the end of days with someone worth debating with. You don't fall under that category because you make up stats, won't clarify points, spout drivel, won't read information posted by people doing real research, claim BS on people when you have no idea what you are talking about...

This thread is not an argument to be won. It's a debate and mewling like a milksop is casting a poor light upon you.

Nova_C and I agree on very little in this world, but I enjoy a debate with him because he actually tries.
 
Did you even read my posts?

:rolleyes:

Kitty cat got your tongue, sport?

Well I feel bad for you then. It's hard to have conversation with people who get rude and angry when you offer up ideas. Check my photobucket album, I have photos of some of my rifles there. I posted photos of my S&W performance model 952 last year. Nanci might remember it.

OK, then if you can explain a statement you made that I am calling BS to, then I'll apologize for inferring that you are a liar just making up BS to try to support your opinions.

You made this statement:
You go to a show nowdays and it's not uncommon to see a single table with 500+ weapons

Tables at gun shows are normally either 6 ft or 8 ft in length, and 20 to 24 inches in width. So let's give you the benefit of the doubt and go with the largest size of 8 ft x 2 ft. That gives us 2,304 square inches of table space for a seller to use to display 500+ guns, as you claim. I have a Glock 33 right here that is considerably smaller than average of the plethora of firearms that a person could be selling at a show. If we figure out how much surface area each of those 500 guns is going to need to be placed on this 8 ft x 2 ft table, we come up with 4.6 square inches EACH. That's a square a little more than 2 INCHES per side. For EACH and EVERY gun needed to be on that table. So here I am trying to figure out how I could put my Glock 33 in such an area on my desk, and I'm having a lot of trouble, I'll admit, making that work.

So please explain to me how those sellers, and I presume there were quite a number of them, since you claim that what you apparently saw with your own two eyes (presumed) was "not uncommon", were able to accomplish this feat. I've been to a LOT of gun shows and have never seen even near that type of density of firearms on display on a single table EVER.

I have an apology awaiting your explanation.
 
And this is all from Air Force EOD?? Sorry if im not percieving this 100% since when do we get open like this with civilians?
Something just seems off.
Didnt know anyone to ever incorporate woman along with the 'sacrifice' spheal.
You sound like a grunt who has been on a few bad deployments.

If you are not BS'ing then i gotta say that we signed a contract...several of them. Infact a few days worth of signing.

If you are deemed unfit, that sucks. I feel for you on that but it is what it is.
I dont want you owning a gun if you can't deal with yourself and if the VA told me the same then oh well.
How would it bug you if you dont carry anyways?

I do not BS oni. Yes my issues arise from my deployments as USAF EOD. Look up the amount of the mission that my AF EOD brothers and sisters took from the army over the past few years. We are not a bunch of desk jockeys, as the rest of our military brethren like to try and make us out to be.
Yes, I signed a contract, and I swore an oath. An oath that I high in extremely high regard, even today, even though I am out of the military. The military did not deem me unfit, no one has, yet. But, I am on list of veterans with PTSD, and, eventually that diagnosis will cause me to loose one of the many rights that I fought for, a direct violation of the oath that I swore, because it violates my second amendment rights.

And yes Oni, women serve in the military now, and have served for a while in combat. You know, since there really is no front lines any more... Oh, and women have been serving in EOD for quite a while too, which in today's wars, places them in combat situations... So yeah, they sacrifice as much as men do... Time to remove yourself from the "men do all the hard work" mentality.

Also, I never stated that I could not handle myself. I choose to not carry a weapon, because I do not want to snap one day and misinterpret someone threatening me. I have taken 5 lives, it is not something that I say lightly, but I have learned that talking about it, helps me come to terms.

You may be one of those "Bad A$$es" that holds everything in, and refuses to talk about your experiences, but I can tell you that it is not a healthy thing to do. I have literally seen "keeping everything in" tear lives apart, and I have seen friends and family drink themselves to death, because they kept it in.

To answer your question, It bugs me when men and women are put on a fiduciary list, without their or their spouses approval, then then placed on the national no sell list, as though they are criminals. These men and women served in the military, the VA has absolutely no right to do this sort of thing. I have met 2 people that have had this experience, and both of them seem very normal to me.

If you cannot see the government targeting Veterans, then you are blind.

Did you even read my posts? I'm not advocating banning all guns. I have guns myself. No law-abiding citizen needs an AR-15 for personal defense. The gun show loop hole enables any crazy person to walk up to a table an purchase a gun or two or three. The argument against it is that it causes too great of an incovenience for the buyer and seller?

Pretty much everyone I know that has an AR 15, uses it in varmint hunting. I do not know anyone who has one for personal defense. It is much easier to carry a pistol than a rifle, for that issue.
 
... Pretty much everyone I know that has an AR 15, uses it in varmint hunting. I do not know anyone who has one for personal defense. It is much easier to carry a pistol than a rifle, for that issue.
I use mine for three-gun sport shooting.
 
I come from the UK where owning, using and holding firearms are heavily controlled. My father (now retired) was a police firearms and anti-terrorist expert. He had a favourite saying in this situation:

"You can't legislate against the loonies."

If someone in that state of mind is intent on committing an atrocity using guns, then they will get hold of the guns - whether legally or illegally. If illegally, then it might just take them longer to prepare. The hideous tragedy at Sandy Hook School and gun control, are pretty much two different discussions.
 
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