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What do you call designer morphs that include amel and hypo?

What is the correct term for a designer morph that includes hypo and amel?

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ha, this could be an interesting thread, there was a quite active debate not that long ago on this topic...
 
Until something better comes along, I like hypo amel or amel hypo. "Hypomel" is just another short form of "hypomelanistic" and does not indicate any amel, IMO. And "hybino" does not distinguish between the other technically correct combinations of hypomelanism and albino.
 
i have seen hypomel used for both hypos and hypo amels but when i voted i had forgotten that it does get used as a shortened version of hypomelanistic(i always shorten to 'hypo'). i now having though about it would call it a 'Hypo Amel'.
 
Susan said:
Until something better comes along, I like hypo amel or amel hypo. "Hypomel" is just another short form of "hypomelanistic" and does not indicate any amel, IMO. And "hybino" does not distinguish between the other technically correct combinations of hypomelanism and albino.
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Agreed. I also just don't like 'hybino', it just sounds daft to me!
 
Susan said:
Until something better comes along, I like hypo amel or amel hypo. "Hypomel" is just another short form of "hypomelanistic" and does not indic ate any amel, IMO. And "hybino" does not distinguish between the other technically correct combinations of hypomelanism and albino.
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My guy was sold to me as a hypomelanistic and I always shorten it to hypo or hypomel... he's the result from a hypomel & ghost breeding. So anery is very much a part of the mix as far as I know amel doesn't figure into it. Hybrinos makes it sound almost like a hybrid, so I wouldn't be for using that since they aren't.... so I chose the first one in the poll.
 
I would prefer the term HypoAmel. Hypomel, to me, means Hypomelanistic. Hybino... I'm up in the air. It COULD be used, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
 
I use the term Hybino. It has been used for a LONG time in most other species of snake to describe the combination of hypo and amel, and so I use it to describe the same thing with corns. It is easily understood to represent the combination of hypo and amel, as most people in the hobby have accepted that amel and albino are interchangeable, albeit a bit technically vague.

Overall, IMO, hybino is the easiest way to describe the combination, as it has been used in other species for many, many years...why change it just for corns?
 
tyflier said:
I use the term Hybino. It has been used for a LONG time in most other species of snake to describe the combination of hypo and amel, and so I use it to describe the same thing with corns. It is easily understood to represent the combination of hypo and amel, as most people in the hobby have accepted that amel and albino are interchangeable, albeit a bit technically vague.

Overall, IMO, hybino is the easiest way to describe the combination, as it has been used in other species for many, many years...why change it just for corns?
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I'm just wondering (I honestly don't know) if "albinos" and "hybinos" in non-corn species are more easily distinguished from each other than they are in corns. I'm not sure if that's completely relevant to this discussion, but...

I like descriptive naming conventions, so I'd prefer "HypoA Amel", I guess. I like to know which hypo gene is involved at a glance. Corns (excluding emoryis, if you consider them corns) have only one identified amel gene, so that part is easy (for now). So you'd have hypoA fires, and hypoA butters, etc.. Of course, you still have some confusion over Sunglows (some consider hypoA essential to a labeled sunglow).
 
Leave them as is. Hypo is Hypo, Amel is Amel. A hypo amel is a hypo amel not a hypomel.

I don't like the term Hybino because it is way too general especially with corns. If we lobbed every corn with those traits then you'd lose quite a few names that many know.
 
Hybino is commonly used in milks, and they are easy to tell from albinos, in that particular animal.
As adults, the hypo lack tipping, which gives the animal a 'clean' look.
I've seen a couple weird combinations of hypo in corns that present in different ways, but never actually confirmed whether it was a different gene, or just presented differently because of different gene combinations.
I like hybino, and kinda wonder why it hasn't 'caught on' with corns.
 
Roy Munson said:
I like descriptive naming conventions, so I'd prefer "HypoA Amel", I guess. I like to know which hypo gene is involved at a glance. Corns (excluding emoryis, if you consider them corns) have only one identified amel gene, so that part is easy (for now). So you'd have hypoA fires, and hypoA butters, etc.. Of course, you still have some confusion over Sunglows (some consider hypoA essential to a labeled sunglow).
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For me, I don't think there would be much confusion as to which hypo is being used because other names are currently being used for those genes in combination with amel:

ultra + amel = ultramel (this is a "give" due to the special relationship between amel and ultra)

lava + amel = lavamel

Sunkissed + amel = Sunkissed amel or amel Sunkissed

As for the use of "sunglow", since you can have an amel that lacks white dorsally without the addition of any hypo gene, I don't think that should be used.
 
I like the way "hybino" sounds, but I cannot agree with its use to signify an Amel+Hypo because of the inaccuracy of the what the term means. Albino is not solely an amelanistic snake regardless of how it's commonly used.

D80
 
Hybino is term coined with the milk and king factions.. We however, remain the snobs of the hobby and continue to typically seperate the expressed and het genetics.. * insert smirking avatar here or something else related to a a little dark humour *


Of course I can't recall being able to sort the difference betwen an amel and a hypo A amel from just looks.. When in Rome....

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
TandJ said:
We however, remain the snobs of the hobby
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Cornsnakes aren't the only ones...

Hypo Amel Boa Constrictors are called Sunglows
Hypo Amel Ball Pythons are called Sunglows or Albino Hypos

Don't have any idea why anyone has it in their head that Hybino is a popular term used for reptiles when the top 3 snakes (IMO) in the industry don't even use it. :shrugs:

The only time I recall ever seeing Hybino used is in Leopard Geckos & Milks...But I don't frequent some of the less common species, so that hardly means much. ;)
 
Susan said:
For me, I don't think there would be much confusion as to which hypo is being used because other names are currently being used for those genes in combination with amel:

ultra + amel = ultramel (this is a "give" due to the special relationship between amel and ultra)

lava + amel = lavamel

Sunkissed + amel = Sunkissed amel or amel Sunkissed

As for the use of "sunglow", since you can have an amel that lacks white dorsally without the addition of any hypo gene, I don't think that should be used.
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I don't disagree with this. The only example I can think of where the hypo type is sometimes confused is hypo Okeetee, where some are actually sunkisseds (but I guess that's off-topic).
 
Drizzt80 said:
I like the way "hybino" sounds, but I cannot agree with its use to signify an Amel+Hypo because of the inaccuracy of the what the term means. Albino is not solely an amelanistic snake regardless of how it's commonly used.

D80
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I know "albino" means lacking or deficient pigmentation but I dislike the term to be used in the description of corn snake pigmentation. I think it's the etymology of the word that gets me and the fact that it was coined for usage in the human population. The whole "albus" meaning white thing, it works for describing human pigment because we only produce one; melanin or black pigment. So to be without pigment we are very "white". But corns produce more than just melanin. Hence in properly using the term "albino" one is being unnecessarily vague. I like the term "amelanistic" sooo much better as a descriptor. It says exactly what one means; lacking or deficient in melanin or black pigment. In this way people don't think white snake, just snake lacking black.
Terri
 
I also think that albino or hybino can be confusing for newbies as I have seen amels, snows and blizzards listed as albinos in pet stores and even at some tables at shows.
So personally I think using Amel, Hypo and Hypo Amel are the best, most descriptive way of calling each morph.
 
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