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Considering branching out

smigon

Old enough to know better
My corn was my first reptile, and I am interested in some of the 4-legged creatures now. What can you all recommend as a good first time pet for someone not very experienced? I have done well by Scarlett, she is thriving, but I want to try my hand at something else.

What do you all recommend?
 
Well, if it must be a 4 legged something or other ( I saw the title and was ready to suggest a Florida King, I have a blotched and I LOVE her, and Floridas are similar and easier to find)......
I have kept a leopard gecko, a blue tongue skink, a 3 toed box turtle and a mali box turtle and as much as I have loved them.....never again for me.

But one creature that always interested me that I have never kept is a Russian tortioise. They seem easier to keep than some tort species, and don't get too big.
 
We've been researching lizards and have settled on adding a Leopard Gecko to our family when we are ready.

They don't require UV lights or any light really, regular window light is fine.

They need an UTH on a thermostat, hot and cool side.

They do well on a diet of mealworms, other worms I can't remember the name of now and dubia roaches.

There are lots of fun colors to choose from.

Leopard geckos are kinda the lizard equivalent of corn snakes.
 
You need to ask yourself some important questions first. How much time do you have/want to spend on the care of the animal? What is your budget for upkeep? How much space do you have for the housing? What are your feelings about feeding live items, ie. insects? What are the rules and regulations where you live (this includes not only federal, city and state, but also if you live in an apt., dorm or parent's home)? Once you know the answers to these questions honestly you can start your search.
I agree 100% with Beth's suggestion. Russian and Greek tortoises are awesome pets. I had babies from my Greeks last year and they are to die for cute! Unlike box turtles, which are protected in a lot of states now, tortoises usually are mostly vegetarian. Which makes them easy and cheap to care for. They have cool little personalities too. Mine will sit and let anyone scratch their heads and chins for hours. They also eat out of my hand, most tortoises do, and when they are out roaming I can stomp on the floor and they come to me.
Keep in mind that because of the "dumb" 4" law most Russians you see in pet stores and online are wild caught. Babies are a little tough to get started if you are new to the species but well started captive raised animals are great (a little more expensive though).
Good Luck,
Terri
 
We bought a young bearded dragon a few years ago, never again! While they are super cute and inquisitive, they are messy and we were spending about $15/week on crickets to feed it! I feed my dog an organic high quality salmon diet which was still cheaper than $60/month on crickets!
We couldn't go away for a weekend, because we worried about leaving a heat lamp on for 12 hours while we weren't around and it needed to be fed fresh greens and crickets daily. This is why we love our cornsnakes so much :)

If I had to choose a 4 legged pet, other than another dog or a donkey, it would be a tortoise. By what Terri described, probably a Greek tort! :)
 
Greek tortoises are slowly becoming my favourite. They're just too cute and stay a decent size. Crested geckos are another easy choice; lots of colour/pattern options and don't need extra heat or live insects. I love my crested pair!
 
they are messy and we were spending about $15/week on crickets to feed it! ... We couldn't go away for a weekend, because we worried about leaving a heat lamp on for 12 hours while we weren't around and it needed to be fed fresh greens and crickets daily.
Just wanted to reiterate this to the OP. This will be a "problem" with almost any other lizard. They're not like snakes, eat once a weak and poop a few times. They're regular maintenance pets, like our furrier friends. 1-2x Daily feeding, bigger messes, and usually more peculiar husbandry requirements (A lot of lizards are going to require much more room).

That being said, I've personally been looking into Brown/Green Basilisks and of course the Blue Tongue Skink. I think that's about as "lizard" as I'll ever go for various reasons. I've considered tortoises and might end up with one if I can stumble across a smaller species.
 
I'm a BIG fan of crested geckos; their care requirements are low, most of them adapt to handling very well (there is an occasional spaz that never settles, but they are rare), and they are really engaging. Heck, they don't even need heat - they are room temperature geckos, so long as it does not get too hot in the summer, and they eat a rehydrated powdered diet, though some do occasionally like crickets. Definitely worth a look...
 
Good thread, and lots of great, informative posts, guys. It's already been said, but beardies are a lot of work and not cheap to feed. They are really fun, too. We lock our dogs outside sometimes and let Monty or Aaron Rodgers run around the house; it's a hoot. FWIW, the beardies are my son's and wife's. I have learned from them that I really prefer snakes.
 
I kept bearded dragons in my pool enclosure in Florida. They were very easy to care for there. I had large potted plants and they put themselves into winter sleep whenever they were ready, and woke themselves up in spring. I have had Az people tell me they can also be kept in outdoor enclosures in Az - as long as there are some kind of heat sinks such as burrows, insulated hides, or maybe some fairly large planters that will provide warm retreats in winter and cooler retreats in summer.

I fed a large variety of plant and animal food, including some pink mice, which were easier for me than crickets, since I raised rodents. I also bought some crickets and other insects, and fed some commercial pellets. The babies took more care and ate a higher percentage of insects. But I was able to leave the adults on their own for occasional weekends while at a reptile show without any problems. Since the sun provides for lighting, that is one less thing you need to worry about in outside pens.

We also keep sulcata tortoises outside, which works well in Florida or Az. They also need an insulated house or burrow. But they are easier to feed than lizards, since grass or hay makes up the bulk of their diet. The same may be true for many other tortoises from arid areas. Just depends on your outdoor situation and whether you want an indoor or outdoor pet. I enjoy the outdoor animals more in some cases. That is because they are able to exhibit more natural behaviors in large, outdoor pens with plants and other animals to interact with. And also because most of my time with them is spent feeding or just observing, instead of cage cleaning. That is a big plus!
 
I was in your shoes about 5 months ago. I'm sorry, I'm too tired to go on and on about the greatness of BTS, but that's what my research showed met OUR needs best. You can do your own look into them on WWW.bluetongueskinks.net
 
I kept bearded dragons in my pool enclosure in Florida. They were very easy to care for there. I had large potted plants and they put themselves into winter sleep whenever they were ready, and woke themselves up in spring. I have had Az people tell me they can also be kept in outdoor enclosures in Az - as long as there are some kind of heat sinks such as burrows, insulated hides, or maybe some fairly large planters that will provide warm retreats in winter and cooler retreats in summer.

I fed a large variety of plant and animal food, including some pink mice, which were easier for me than crickets, since I raised rodents. I also bought some crickets and other insects, and fed some commercial pellets. The babies took more care and ate a higher percentage of insects. But I was able to leave the adults on their own for occasional weekends while at a reptile show without any problems. Since the sun provides for lighting, that is one less thing you need to worry about in outside pens.

We also keep sulcata tortoises outside, which works well in Florida or Az. They also need an insulated house or burrow. But they are easier to feed than lizards, since grass or hay makes up the bulk of their diet. The same may be true for many other tortoises from arid areas. Just depends on your outdoor situation and whether you want an indoor or outdoor pet. I enjoy the outdoor animals more in some cases. That is because they are able to exhibit more natural behaviors in large, outdoor pens with plants and other animals to interact with. And also because most of my time with them is spent feeding or just observing, instead of cage cleaning. That is a big plus!
Almost makes me miss Florida. Almost. I am a bit envious of FL and AZ folk for the natural habitats they can maintain though.
 
We have a bearded dragon Ryu. She is 7 years old and the easiest animal I have ever taken care if. I spend $2.00 every week in crickets from the bait shop. She also eats meal worms and romaine. I go out of town frequently for up to a week. She is amazing.
 
If you want a reptile that is more interactive and more like cats and dogs than other herps, then beardies are a great choice! I often recommend them to guys who want to get their wife or girl friend interested in herps. They make a wonderful "gateway" reptile! They have so much personality that non herpers can enjoy them as much as herpers do. Snake keepers are often really surprised at how much fun dragons can be.
 
Have to agree on the Beardie argument... yes, they are a tad more of a chore, but their personality really is worth it. They are very responsive, inquisitive and mellow to handle.

They -need- you to breed insects(they can do without crickets btw).

I personally "breed" 5 types of insects... death skull roaches, dubia roaches and african(these can climb, but breed so well it's insane), mealworms and super worms.. -all- of these can be easily kept just by keeping them in a large enough container... Each requires their own specific routine but it boils down to throwing them some food 2-3 times a week... leftovers would be awesome as well for the roaches.

Buying insects for Bearded Dragons will be expansive... but when you successfully breed the insects yourself, it's hardly a problem.

Don't be too quick to breed the Bearded Dragons though- they easily lay 15-20 eggs, in more than one round per season... and baby bearded dragons can eradicate whole insect colonies very easily- so don't be tempted unless you -really- have tons of insects.

Leopard geckos still represent a much easier, cheaper option though- and they too are really neat, especially in a small group.
 
You guys are awesome! Now I have a lot to research, which I love. If I do end up getting something other than another corn (lots of sucking up to the hubby) I will let you know. Your info is priceless. Thank you so much!
 
Oh, one thing I can rule out is anything that eats roaches, my husband would NEVER go for that, and I an not a roach fan either. Mealworms, other insects are fine, but the roaches are out, I hate to say.
 
You can work with mealworms/superwroms... but you will need to "branch out" with another type of insect, since mealworms stop being relevant once Leopard geckos gain a bit of size(let alone Beardies!) ... so if not roaches, you'll need crickets, at least... which are even more of a pain to be perfectly honest.

Dubia roaches really are altogether different from what you're used to... they can't climb, nor can they use their wings for anything... they don't even smell really... their only disadvantage is that they take quite a bit of time to mature and breed... hardly a huge issue though.

If you can breed crickets(while bearing the noise and smell) than that's great... if not... I'm not sure you should keep either.

However.... Crested geckos offer an interesting option. They can be kept on a slushy diet, which is commercially available as powder... you mix a bit with water and tada... you're set.
You should offer a roach, or a cricket... like... 1-2 every few days, but their main diet is the slushy.
 
I failed to explain superworms- they are a bigger version of the small mealworm.
So.. size-wise they are good. Issue is, they pack allot of fat for their size- hence why it is important to provide other insects and not only worms.
 
I am not a bug fan but Dubia roach vs Cricket, the roach wins. Crickets are noisy, stinky, jumpy little creatures, that will escape into your house. Dubias don't make noise, can't climb, jump or fly and don't really smell. The only way they are escaping is if you drop them, they are quick.
 
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