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Funny call

I can almost guarantee that our animal control officer would have us call an exterminator if we call for snake removal. They are seen in most peoples eyes as nothing more then pests. Obviously I don't personally agree with it, but it is what it is.
 
Daenerys said:
Not everyone has those resources available and it may take a while to get them and if the snake is in a place where it could cause harm to people and children then you really have to think which is more important, the life of the person/child or the life of the snake?
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There are alternatives? It throws the entire ecosystem out of balance. I am willing to bet either the snake is not venomous or was easily moved without having to kill the snake. Because if you can kill it, you can also move it away from inhabitants. They were here first, not us. They deserve at the least ot be given the chance to get out of the situation.
 
Lets not talk about throwing off the ecosystem when some people aren't against having animals as pets that were ripped out of their natural environment. That to me throws off the ecosystem more then having to possibly kill a snake that could very well pose a danger or even to death to a child.
 
snakemom1961 said:
Lets not talk about throwing off the ecosystem when some people aren't against having animals as pets that were ripped out of their natural environment. That to me throws off the ecosystem more then having to possibly kill a snake that could very well pose a danger or even to death to a child.
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Yes, the animals I own are often African imports, but they aren't getting killed and they are reducing the need for WC animals. Killing an animal and taking it from it's natural environment to be put in an artificial environment to increase a captive population are in 2 different ballparks.....
 
Carinata said:
Yes, the animals I own are often African imports, but they aren't getting killed and they are reducing the need for WC animals. Killing an animal and taking it from it's natural environment to be put in an artificial environment to increase a captive population are in 2 different ballparks.....
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No, its not. Either way the "ecosystem" suffers. And the operation you work for profits by doing this.
 
They both affect the ecosystem and that was my point. I don't feel you should be talking about affecting the ecosystem, when the animals you choose to have, have been taken out of their natural environment. It's apples to appples in my eyes.
 
snakemom1961 said:
They both affect the ecosystem and that was my point. I don't feel you should be talking about affecting the ecosystem, when the animals you choose to have, have been taken out of their natural environment. It's apples to appples in my eyes.
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I know. He works for a flipper for crying out loud.
He should not be calling this guy out for making a case by case assessement when his flipper employer does it on a massive scale.
 
Carinata said:
I highly doubt that there are 2 animal control officers for the whole county. So I guess that justifies making you an animal control officer huh?
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It does not surprise me in the least that there would be only two animal control officers for a county, depending on the population. Some areas do not have the buget to even have one AC officer.
snakemom1961 said:
I can almost guarantee that our animal control officer would have us call an exterminator if we call for snake removal. They are seen in most peoples eyes as nothing more then pests. Obviously I don't personally agree with it, but it is what it is.
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AC officers in general are not trained to take care of much more than domestic cats & dogs. They don't handle wild animals. Division of Wildlife has more experience with wild animals, but generally won't respond unless there is an immediate threat. Most of the time they refer to specialists who deal with specific species. They're not always "exterminators". Often times they remove the animals & relocate them far away from human population.
Carinata said:
There are alternatives? It throws the entire ecosystem out of balance. I am willing to bet either the snake is not venomous or was easily moved without having to kill the snake. Because if you can kill it, you can also move it away from inhabitants. They were here first, not us. They deserve at the least ot be given the chance to get out of the situation.
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It comes across very hypocritical when you judge someone else for this, yet you take in WC animals to use in your "captive bred" business. You have made it very clear that you're in it for the money, so it's probably likely that the (WC) animals that you take in, are more rare, so you can make more money off them.

Carinata said:
Yes, the animals I own are often African imports, but they aren't getting killed and they are reducing the need for WC animals. Killing an animal and taking it from it's natural environment to be put in an artificial environment to increase a captive population are in 2 different ballparks.....
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Either way, it's removing them from their natural environment.
You're breeding them for money, to create new morphs, etc. You're not doing it to preserve an endangered species.
 
nwheather said:
It comes across very hypocritical when you judge someone else for this, yet you take in WC animals to use in your "captive bred" business. You have made it very clear that you're in it for the money, so it's probably likely that the (WC) animals that you take in, are more rare, so you can make more money off them.


Either way, it's removing them from their natural environment.
You're breeding them for money, to create new morphs, etc. You're not doing it to preserve an endangered species.
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How is it hypocritical? How dare you say I'm in this for money? Yes I have made a decent profit this season on my animals, but I'm not all in it for the money. Adding fresh blood to a project reduces the risk of a birth defect or worse. Currently one of the Patternless bloodlines is very prone to underbites and other defects. Adding a new bloodline of Patternless from the wild helps diversify the gene pool. I don't usually sell fresh WC geckos unless it's a special order from a client. I don't understand how you can judge me and say I'm all in it for the money? Have you ever done business me? All CB animals originated from a WC bloodline. And African Fat-Tails are not endangered, actaully they are non-CITES..........
 
Carinata said:
How is it hypocritical? How dare you say I'm in this for money? Yes I have made a decent profit this season on my animals, but I'm not all in it for the money. Adding fresh blood to a project reduces the risk of a birth defect or worse. Currently one of the Patternless bloodlines is very prone to underbites and other defects. Adding a new bloodline of Patternless from the wild helps diversify the gene pool. I don't usually sell fresh WC geckos unless it's a special order from a client. I don't understand how you can judge me and say I'm all in it for the money? Have you ever done business me? All CB animals originated from a WC bloodline. And African Fat-Tails are not endangered, actaully they are non-CITES..........
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You have made statements saying that you are doing this for the money & that's why you got out of corns. I've read your statements. You have made it very clear.
No, I've never done business with you, & I don't ever plan on it.
 
nwheather said:
You have made statements saying that you are doing this for the money & that's why you got out of corns. I've read your statements. You have made it very clear.
No, I've never done business with you, & I don't ever plan on it.
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Well duh, if I can't make some money I'm not going to breed animals and loose money. I still have a corn for pleasure, but the Fat-Tails actually make me a profit. I am sorry, but I like to be able to sell 1 animal and be able to buy crickets for an entire year. I haven't used my check from work for anything but savings from the money I made selling AFTs this season. I don't think that's a sin..... I am not in this purely for money, but it's nice. It's a lot of work, and I love doing it. I have made a name for myself in the AFT community. I have 2 new morphs in the making, and I like the ability to make a name for myself. Everyone breeds corns, AFTs are a little different.
 
I have to stand by Carinata by this actually. The fact that he owns WC animals doesn't make him any more of a hypocrite than any other snake owner out there.
The fact that many now own CB animals is the result of others committing the same "crime".
By reaping the fruits of said act, you are endorsing it. By continuing to purchase and own snakes, you encourage the trade and in so doing- the collection of new animals from the wild- either because it's a cheap way to supply the demand, because it's a species of snakes that is not captive bred yet, or new morph seeking.

So really, it's just a matter of timing. Many of you were fortunate enough to own CB snakes because the field has progressed enough to allow it- but it's just a matter of timing, not morality.

But leaving all of this aside- it's not a capital crime.
Mass collection of snakes from the wild will have an impact- I agree, but everyone endorses it before a captive population bases itself.
And we have CB in order to prevent the further exploitation of the ecosystem and thus preserve the wild community.

The field exists solely because someone did something we consider immoral in the past. The fact that in some places, the field has not matured enough and is still at the earlier stages doesn't make your acts legitimate per se.
 
My point is not having WC in general. All of our animals (dogs & cats included) were all WC at one point.
But when he goes ranting about how the OP killing an snake because it poses a threat affects the ecosystem, but that collecting WC animals to use for breeding does not, comes across hypocritical. Taking animals from their native habitat does affect the ecosystem.
I feel that there are times it is acceptable, even necessary (diseased animals, over population).
He appears to be looking for reasons to attack the OP.
 
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