Do you mean "new" European line hypo? If so, I wouldn't call that a new morph until it is tested against the Hypo gene. It might be different, but it looks almost exactly the same. That tells me they should TEST it before calling it a new morph. I've been told that it has not been tested yet, but you know how stories change.....lol.
Yes, the "new" European line is what I was referring to. Actually, I do agree with you about the hype surrounding it and that there's still some work to be done to verify what exactly it is. If what I've read to be true however, Raimo Huhn has been working with these and has at least F3 or higher offspring that exhibit the trait. So, it's been tested but not sure what against. Some are now wanting to call it a paradox because the hatchlings show black speckling. This I find a big stretch, especially since it may shed off that coloration after a few sheds which nobody is yet sure of it it will or not.
Technically, these aren't supposed to be available thanks the Colorado LEO and the Lacey Act.
Well, it doesn't matter the legality of them considering I was just naming known recessive morphs
But yes, it's a shame how all of that went down. I was told the specific lengthy story by one of the big name breeders who got caught up in all of that. And this was someone who had enough money to throw at a lawyer to try and fight the system and still lost.
That's one I have a problem with. To date, these are called hypo by some people, but it has never been shown to be anything more than a light colored natural variation of a NORMAL morph. Currently, I think it is a mistake to list these in a group of known sinlge point source mutations. I think the "hypo" is tacked on to make green MONEY and not green snakes with a simple recessive mutation resulting in a predictable amount of melanin reduction.....lol.
Well, honestly, that's another one I am suspicious of. But, if the belly is lacking melanin (like the Hypos) and the offspring can exhibit the trait, then it's obviously something and I wouldn't have a problem so much with the name Green Hypo. I really need to discuss this with Chad as he seems to be the one selling these.
You also left out "Lavender" - if it is proven to be a simple recessive mutation conclusively.
Yes, I did accidentally leave that one out. That's why I said
I know of off the top of my head.
I knew I was likely going to forget one or two at 1am
And if anybody hasn't seen pictures of the Lavenders, they are truly a beautiful snake.
You left out Pink Pastel Albino = Hypo. A couple of those have been produced already.
I didn't leave it out per se as I could have easily spent a ton of time putting forth every type of combination possible. I only listed combo's that I basically knew were already produced or in the works. Because I haven't heard or seen anything about any type of Pink Pastel, I said this
I'm not even sure if anybody has even done anything with mixing the Pink Pastels or not although I'd find a hard time thinking nobody hasn't.
I would be interested in seeing some pics of the ones you seem to know about though, I would be curious how different they are to a typical Lazik hypo if you are saying these are also called hypos.
I've heard of more snows than 4 being produced, but they are (without a doubt) still VERY rare.
Well, again, I said
only 4 known in the world atm
meaning only 2 people have made it publicly know that they own some, Brian Barczyk and Vin Russo (who both produced 2 each). I don't doubt that there's a possibility that there might be someone else out there that produced some, but unless that someone comes forth and can prove it, 4 is all that is currently known.
The "Hybino" or "Sunglows" may not actually exist yet, either. I've seen a few for sale, and they look just like albinos.
I have to agree. Based on the pictures (and photography can be a tricky and misleading thing) the supposed "hybinos" I've seen didn't look really any different than a pale albino. But that is at least the claim of the breeder ( I'm sure it is the same one you know of although I cannot currently recall their name), that their hybino is the product of a double het albino/hypo pairing. They do try and sell their hybino at least once a year on ks.
there are a lot of PPA and hypo crossed animals out there. The double homozygous are very, very rare, though.
Are you talking about the Lazik line of PPA/Hypo? I've always been curious about why his line was of double recessive genetics since he doesn't mention on his site whether he himself was trying to create a PPA x Hypo line or not.
Do you have, or know of any pictures of such an animal? Again, I would love to see what one of these would look like as it's something I haven't yet come across.
....and don't forget the "piebald" hognose that doesn't exist....even though hets were sold for thousands of dollars a decade or so ago...to a bunch of big name breeders......lol.
Well, there's a lot of unscrupulous people out there in the world. It's just a shame that people value money over integrity and the respect of others. And there's definitely a few unsavory individuals in this trade to help keep one on his toes.
