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Snake, rattle, roll: GOP targets python rule
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tyflier
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"Freedom to sin" is precisely why our founding fathers left British Rule in the first place. "Sin" does not exist outside the world of religious ideology. If I don't believe in god and satan, there is no sin.
Frankly, I am THRILLED that your idea of "good government" will never occur. Your idea of "good government" is precisely what this country fought against in WWII. You know, the Nazis tried to control the way their population felt, thought, and acted. There is a word for that. It's called "fascism".
And...who decides which moral values are high and which are low? Personally, I find the moral value of "live and let live" to be ten thousand times higher than that of "though shall have no other god before me". I find the morals of personal freedom to be of MUCH higher value than the perpetuation of myth and bigotry through religion.
Yes...you are in WAY over your head, my friend...
tyflier
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Actually, I'm a New Yorker, born and raised. I've not even been in California for a 1/3 of my life. I'm guessing you've lived in Alabama for a majority of yours...
Another broad-based insult from a very narrow mind...
tyflier
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And before you get yourself in any deeper, lavender...I assure you...you will not win a religious debate with me. I come from a VERY strict Christian background. I have 2 brothers, both of whom are ministers of the Protestant Faith. Several aunts and uncles, as well.
The first half of my life was mired with religious guilt and attrition. The second half has been MUCH more enlightening and fulfilling. :dgrin:
The first half of my life was mired with religious guilt and attrition. The second half has been MUCH more enlightening and fulfilling. :dgrin:
tyflier
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So...AL, TN, GA, and SC are morally "better" than NY and CA?
Cool. It is now morally better to string people from the trees and terrorize private citizens because of the color of their skin than it is to allow all to live peacefully together. Suddenly it is morally better to force women to live a life of servitude to their husbands and to allow 40 year old men to legally wed 15 year old children than it is for 2 adult men to love each other.
Like I said...I am THRILLED that your idea of "good government" will never be a reality.
And for the record...you didn't secede. You tried. You failed. Better luck next time.
We did seceed but was forced back in by a tyrannical federalist who sent uniformed troops to invade our country. Liberty and righteousness will always be worth fighting for. Thing is it seems that more and more are becoming mindless slaves to the federal gov't. Seems like public schools have achieved exactly what they have set out to do.
tyflier
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Dude, this doesn't even begin to make sense.
Mindless slaves to federal government? Who? Me? Not on your life.
And what, precisely, is it that the schools have set out to achieve?
In my case, and the case of my children, they succeeded in teaching us how to think for ourselves, how to use reason and logic to see past the surface, and how to judge for ourselves the rightness and wrongness of different political and moral viewpoints. They also taught us to be accepting of differences, and tolerant of individuality.
I don't know what you think schools SHOULD be teaching us, but the public school is NOT the place to teach religious stories founded in myth over scientific evidence. Public school is not the place to force all children to worship a single god. Public school is not the place to force personal religious morals onto all citizens.
Again...I am getting gladder by the moment that your idea of "good government" will not occur in this country in my lifetime. Your idea of "good government" is what my brother, father, grandfather, great-grandfather, and yes, my son have all fought against.
Moral tyranny by a fascist government is not something I am interested in seeing applied in this country. If you want to live in a country that decides morality for you, go ahead. If you want to live in a country that decides which god you can worship, how you should dress, what scientific facts you are allowed to know, and whom you are allowed to love and socialize with...go somewhere else. There are plenty of countries still operating under a theocratic regime. In fact, we have soldiers fighting for our lives in a couple right now. Perhaps you would be morally more comfortable living there?:shrugs: I'm pretty sure plane tickets to those parts of the world would be rather cheap right now...
vliberatore
New member
So....shipping pythons might become illegal. Spike in sales just before it goes into effect? Should I start stockpiling burms so I can make a killing off of this commodity?
tyflier
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Not sure how much of a killing you could make if these species do, eventually, become illegal to transport interstate. If they get banned altogether, then it's even worse...
But very nicely done on bringing the original topic back into play. Well done, indeed!
vliberatore
New member
I'm an econ student, so if they do become illegal, then I have a black market. The supply curve shifts left, and demand shifts a little to the left, so price increases. Win-Win. Everyone act now before prices skyrocket!
Nanci
Alien Lover
I think the chance is quite high. People love to hate snakes. You can help by becoming a member of USARK. Even if you aren't a member, you can help by getting on their e-mail list and sending e-mails and letters to your elected representatives when asked.
NikeMoth
Tick Magnet
How do I become a member?
Nanci
Alien Lover
Go to the USARK site and sign up! There is a cheap student membership, and then a regular membership which includes their nice T-shirt, and then more expensive donor memberships.
http://usark.org/join.php
You can also follow USARK on Twitter and Facebook. They are very good at keeping us up to date on the legislative processes that they are involved in.
tyflier
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This "political money war" was started by Republican leaders, and was perpetuated by Republican support...until Obama was elected. Then it suddenly became a war of attrition that we didn't belong in.
Funny...when GWB was in office, the country's mantra was "You're either with us or against us". Anyone questioning our efforts in the Middle East was labeled as unpatriotic. Anyone questioning GWB's tactics and legislation was labeled as a "terrorist supporter". And anyone professing anti-war sentiment was labeled as anti-American. Now that a democrat is in office, the republican mantra seems to have done a 180, claiming that the war is something Obama needs to get us out of. My how short the memory of republicans can be.
And for the record...YOU are the one that turned a discussion about a potential python ban into a political debate with your trollish accusations and insults. From your initial post.
I tried to warn you that this was over your head...:madeuce:
You still act like I am a party member of some sort. I was behind bush when the towers fell but instead of going over there and destroying those that attacked us when went and played just like vietnam. In the mean time we have let thousands of muslims in our country and mosques are popping up everywhere. Sharia law is being defended in deerbourn mi. We are pandering, defending, and cow towing to the very religion that is trying to destroy Christianity, liberty, and capitalism.
tyflier
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And again, you are confusing Christianity with Democracy.
Muslims have just as many rights in this country as Christians do. They are both a viable and Constitutionally protected religion in this country, whether you like it or not. People have just as much right to build a Mosque as they do a Church or a Temple.
Sharia Law is being defended as a personal religious choice and a guaranteed religious freedom. I don;t have to agree with a religious viewpoint to defend it's right to exist in this country.
For example, I wholeheartedly and completely disagree with your views of morality. However, I will defend to the death your Constitutional right to have those beliefs and share them with others. I would do the same for a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Taoist, a Wiccan or a Satanist. ALL religions are guaranteed freedom of worship and expression in this country, and ALL people are guaranteed the same freedoms under the Constitution.
If you disagree with that...you're in the wrong country. If you want a government that will dictate which religion is acceptable and which is not, you're in the wrong country. If you want a government that supports your right to religious practice while denying that same right to others...you're in the wrong country.
God is not the President. Christianity is not Democracy. The bible is not the Constitution. Legislative, Executive, and Judicial is not the holy trinity. The father, son, and holy spirit are not judge, jury, and executioner.
Contrary to what you would like to see happen in this country, there is still a Constitutionally mandated separation of Church and State. Thank your pious god that republicans get away with forcing religious morals on the population as much as they do. That will change, very soon. There WILL come a day when our people and our government wake up and realize that Christian morality is not something to be dictated to the people.
I hope to see that in my lifetime. If not, I will be satisfied if my children can see it.