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THE THINGS PEOPLE DO...I NEED TO VENT

Em Wright said:
And when they're small is still risky... they can STILL eat one another. My best advice to you would be to seperate them immediately. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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That's probably the riskiest time, when they are small and fast-growing and hungry all the time! They'll even eat their clutch mates if not separated quickly after hatching. The only reason you ever see two snakes "cuddled up" together is because that hiding spot is perfect, and neither will give it up. Just the fact that they have to compete for resources is very stressful.

PJ, I don't even know what to say besides my usual "people s*ck." I'm HOPING that when I only produce higher-end babies, they will because of their value at least go to people with half a brain.
 
PJ that's so miserable for you. You've done all you can and then more. In your place, I'd also pop the eggs in the fridge and tell the owners that they were infertile, especially as they don't seem interested in them. You could drive home that they've put their female's life at risk for no reason, and I don't see why you should be expected to mop up any more of their mess. You'd certainly be within your rights to refuse to deal with them any more, unless they start following your advice. I've seen my local reptile shop turn people away for less.

Fingers crossed for the female.
 
I have seen first hand what it does to a female corn to be bred too young, I adopted an eggbound female from a breeder sight unseen and when I saw her it was heartbreaking because it was so OBVIOUS the female was too small to have been bred. I tried my best to help her pass the egg but too much time had passed and I ultimately had to euthanize her. In your shoes I would have a hard time giving the female back to those people - and I would never sell them another snake. I wouldn't incubate for them, I wouldn't lift a finger to help them any more! I guess you have a tough choice to make though because it just takes one irate customer to say something bad and your reputation as a breeder is at risk! But in this case I think many would come to your defense if these people tried anything like that..
 
Ok then, i don't have another tank YET i will VERY soon tho, i am supporting my snakes on my own since my parents won't do anything but get food and take them to the vet so i'm basicly on my own ok it was a book, and i didn't know up untill i got on here cuz i have consulted with othe rpeople who have snakes and they say they keep theres together i don't know but if it will hurt my little babies i'mma take one out ASAP
 
Chrissie&Coral&Lilly said:
Ok then, i don't have another tank YET i will VERY soon tho, i am supporting my snakes on my own since my parents won't do anything but get food and take them to the vet so i'm basicly on my own ok it was a book, and i didn't know up untill i got on here cuz i have consulted with othe rpeople who have snakes and they say they keep theres together i don't know but if it will hurt my little babies i'mma take one out ASAP
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I'm so glad you're listening, and I know your babies will be better off. I personally had a snake die on me as an indirect result of being co-habbed. So, I must speak up if someone asks about the practice. Co-habbing is one of my major pet-peeves... The best books you can get about corns are by Kathy Love and Don Sodersberg. Kathy is a regular poster on here, and has been keeping corns longer than just about anyone! She is also one of the NICEST people you will ever talk to!
 
Ok thanks, i'm not 2 hard headed i know what to listen 2 know thanks you guys, well i still have to take my little amel to the vet cuz of retained shed skin :( sadly it is that bad the first time i noticed it it came off with the next shedding now it won't i'mma never forgive my self if it is WAY serous
 
If your baby isn't too teeny tiny I would suggest tying her in a warm wet pillowcase for an hour and let her wiggle around in it.
 
vetusvates said:
Ditto on what Lori said so well.
More than once I've been visiting friends in PetCo for pinks or fuzzies, and been offered adult snakes that folks "never thought would get so big". LOL.
Once a young kid and his very sweet, very well-meaning grandma tried to give me one. Maybe I should have taken it, but I didn't. Gosh. I wish I could save the world, too.......you've gone way above and beyond, PJ.
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Wow, I've been given sick ferrets at Petco and gerbils at petsmart. Once kittens at walmart but never snakes! I had hoped this would be one area where people were less inclined to get impulse pets :(
 
Chrissie&Coral&Lilly said:
Ok then, i don't have another tank YET i will VERY soon tho, i am supporting my snakes on my own since my parents won't do anything but get food and take them to the vet so i'm basicly on my own ok it was a book, and i didn't know up untill i got on here cuz i have consulted with othe rpeople who have snakes and they say they keep theres together i don't know but if it will hurt my little babies i'mma take one out ASAP
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Go to walmart or some place like it and get a shoe box style plastic container. At my walmart these are like a buck. You can keep the second in there until you get the other tank if he/she isn't too big. And that can be kept in the tank to prevent escape. Or am I wrong? Can someone more experienced comment on this idea?
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Go to walmart or some place like it and get a shoe box style plastic container. At my walmart these are like a buck. You can keep the second in there until you get the other tank if he/she isn't too big. And that can be kept in the tank to prevent escape. Or am I wrong? Can someone more experienced comment on this idea?
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I think this sounds like an excellent idea.
 
Chrissie&Coral&Lilly said:
Ok thanks, i'm not 2 hard headed i know what to listen 2 know thanks you guys, well i still have to take my little amel to the vet cuz of retained shed skin :( sadly it is that bad the first time i noticed it it came off with the next shedding now it won't i'mma never forgive my self if it is WAY serous
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Try a small deli cup or lockable bin. Some luke warm water and her have a swim. I rarely run into corns with shed issues. Best of luck!

PJ
 
carnivorouszoo said:
Go to walmart or some place like it and get a shoe box style plastic container. At my walmart these are like a buck. You can keep the second in there until you get the other tank if he/she isn't too big. And that can be kept in the tank to prevent escape. Or am I wrong? Can someone more experienced comment on this idea?
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I am sorry to have not completely read Chrissie's concerns and questions but yes, you can keep bins inside a securely lock tank until things can be worked out. They need to share the heat source (UTH or lamps). You can even use elastic bands to keep those shoe box bins closed tighter.

Hope this helps.
PJ
 
Chrissie&Coral&Lilly said:
Ok thanks, i'm not 2 hard headed i know what to listen 2 know thanks you guys, well i still have to take my little amel to the vet cuz of retained shed skin :( sadly it is that bad the first time i noticed it it came off with the next shedding now it won't i'mma never forgive my self if it is WAY serous
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Don't worry, just do this! Repeat if necessary! It's very simple.

http://tinyurl.com/29hqmz

But you do need to do it ASAP.
 
Nanci said:
I'm HOPING that when I only produce higher-end babies, they will because of their value at least go to people with half a brain.
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Cost of the animal is no guarantee that they will be looked after properly....
The amount people can pay depends on how much they have at their disposal.....
When I was selling puppies i refused one guy who thought nothing of paying £2000 for two puppies, up front.... He just wanted the dogs to train them to be attack dogs..... The same with our snakes..... The cheapest ones we do are over £100, yet some think they can co hab no problem......
I wish cost weeded out the idiots, sadly it doesn't....
 
Nanci said:
Maybe I should only sell to people in Florida and require a home visit...
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Thats one way to do it....
It's hard to say what is the best really, people will always say what you want to hear to get what they want......
I guess you just have to go with a gut feeling, and worry about your choice after.... Thats what i do....
 
Umm, Coral's (that is my amel's name) tail has the shed skin left on it and it look tight, we have tried the whole water thing, she doesn't like the water at all, she tries to get away from any water the only time she goes near water (unless i make her) is when she is drinking from her bowl
 
Let her soak for 30 minutes. Too bad if she doesn't like it. The longer you let the shed stay on her tail, the more chance there is of her losing it. Who knows what a vet would do to get it off...If it doesn't work, try a couple more times. If it doesn't work, try again tomorrow.
 
All you need to do is take a wet wash cloth and let her slither through it. When you get to the tail part with the stuck shed use a little more pressure and continue until it comes off. Otherwise you can use tupperware and put the wet wash cloth in that adding maybe 1/4 inch more water allowing the snake to wiggle around in there with the lid on and you watching of course. Just let the snake roam around in there for an hour or so and it should come right off really- do put a few small holes in the tupperware though and do not use hot water. A vet visit for stuck shed is not necessary you just need to be persistent and work it off no matter how long it takes- its part of having a snake and though they don't like this its better than them losing part of their tail.
 
PJ, sorry to hear you stressing like this..

I read through about a page and half.. I get similair questions and well, people don;t like hearing the answers and just wanna wear thier rose coloured glasses..

If that happened to me, well, the darn eggs didn't make through icubation, which would really be hard to do in the belly of a Cali King.. I get stressed by a lot of of the things I see people doing with their critters and they seemingly have no passion or need to understand about what is likely to happen to them.. I feel for you ..


Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
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