Toffee...another dominant trait?!

[JimGERcream]

atm there is no visible superform. toffee x toffee is done, the only surprise were some anery lookalikes, but the clutchmmate brother of this pair also produced some anery lookalikes, when paired to a caramel snow motley. So I assume that's no superform, just the plain old Anery gene.

This animal is the clutchmate and knowen het anery caramel amel striped bloodred. He was paired to a caramel snow motley and also produced normals, so genetically he should be a het toffee anery caramel amel striped bloodred... gosh that's a hell of lot of hets :laugh01:

 

[benniHC]

Yes. At this moment we have "only" het. Toffees. So we don't know if there is a super form

 

[SnakeAround]

That is what dominant is; a snake is het for it, but it shows the full phenotype, not like diffused or caramel can give away a het.

If a snake gets the gene from both parents, it is homozygous for it, yet it still looks the same as a snake that is only het for it.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

The toffee are gorgeous as adult, maybe people are not appreciating the gene because as hatchlings it is kind of low expression. Like a yellower normal. Also since it is not yet available on this side of Atlantic it's causing less of a stir here?
I really don't know. I've had a bad week and not been posting much anyway. But seems like posts by many members go unreplied and there are many members that I used to like that don't post or seem to be around much anymore. But maybe that's off topic for your thread. The snakes are gorgeous

 

[Onarian]

Beautiful snakes. I wonder if I should pick up a Toffee as well while I'm here in Germany...

 

[dionythicus]

I really enjoy learning when new genes are discovered, especially when its with people who know what they are doing and make all the right moves in testing it out.

That being said, I don't personally find this particular morph to have any wow factor in its appearance, even as an adult. It looks, to me, like another variation of a normal corn. Its attractive in its own way, no doubt about it. The amel version looks, again its just me, like a creamsicle and not really like a butter at all. I also have a hard time with the name Auratum as a word. I don't like the sound of it or understand what it is or means. To my eyes, it doesn't read well, either. I think it's Autumn when I first see it and I have to look at it more than once to read it correctly.

So that's my opinion on it, and why I'm not excited about it. I'm excited to know that its out there, I love when new genes pop up. I wonder what hypo would do to it? Make it brighter?

 

[El Jefe]

I love that Toffee thing!!! The amel....meh...so-so.

If I was still doing corns you'd already have a PM to get some of those stateside!

 

[Tom Tuttle]

Yes. At this moment we have "only" het. Toffees. So we don't know if there is a super form

Great looking snakes! I would love to own a couple someday.
Sorry but I've never heard of a dominant gene also act as a het. I've only seen hets in recessive. Is this a co-dom or dominant ? Or incomplete co-dominant?:shrugs:

 

[gelshark]

Great looking snakes! I would love to own a couple someday.
Sorry but I've never heard of a dominant gene also act as a het. I've only seen hets in recessive. Is this a co-dom or dominant ? Or incomplete co-dominant?:shrugs:

All dominant genes are expressed in the het form. I think that the confusion is that most people think of how hets work with a recessive gene vs how they work when the gene is dominant.
The super form would be homo for the dominant gene, which may or may not produce another phenotype.

 

[Tom Tuttle]

All dominant genes are expressed in the het form. I think that the confusion is that most people think of how hets work with a recessive gene vs how they work when the gene is dominant.
The super form would be homo for the dominant gene, which may or may not produce another phenotype.

Thanks! It's been a long day.

 

[Kethryanne]

I like the rich brown tones on the toffee coloration. Hope these snakes will cross the Atlantic soon. Since I sure would not mind one or two lol

 

[Naagas]

Another dominant gene? Very cool.
I think that the Toffee looks nice. I like it better than caramel.

Too bad there are none in the states yet.

 

[smallet]

All dominant genes are expressed in the het form. I think that the confusion is that most people think of how hets work with a recessive gene vs how they work when the gene is dominant.
The super form would be homo for the dominant gene, which may or may not produce another phenotype.

Ok, I am confused. Dominant has a het I can get. But then when they crossed the het toffees together shouldn't a homo dominant been in that batch then?

Jim: the problem with the perceived lack of excitement might also be due to the fact that pictures don't always pick up correctly. I have a snake I bought as an Ultramel that looks similar in coloration to that photo. I have my doubts about whether the snake is really an Ultramel which is why I purchased it. I'll find out when it's older. But that is comparing a snake I can visually see to a photo. I am sure in person the toffee looks slighty different to the photo. Or at least IMO snakes I have photos of and then see the animal in person seem to look a whole lot better in person.

Is it just me or has anyone else ever wondered why it seems to have taken so long find some dominant traits in corns? And why we haven't found a codominant one yet? And in bps there seems to be so many co Dom/Dom forms.

Personally I like both versions of this one.

 

[JimGERcream]

Ok, I am confused. Dominant has a het I can get. But then when they crossed the het toffees together shouldn't a homo dominant been in that batch then?

Correct.

A codominant trait shows one phenotype in het form and another phentype in hom. form - the so called "super form".

A dominant trait shows the same phenotype in het. and in hom. form., no visible superform.

Toffee x Toffee is done and there wasn't anything else than Toffees and other regular colour morphs in the clutch, so I assume it's dominant and not codominant. Genetically it acts pretty similar to tessera. Breed it to what you want, you always get the Toffee phenotype in first generation.

 

[JimGERcream]

Oh and before I forget, I'm pretty happy about the delayed interest. IMHO there is no reason to think everyone is uninterested anymore. maybe I wondered to early... :wavey:

 

[cobained]

I also have a hard time with the name Auratum as a word. I don't like the sound of it or understand what it is or means. To my eyes, it doesn't read well, either. I think it's Autumn when I first see it and I have to look at it more than once to read it correctly.

I believe Auratum means "gold" in Latin (?). It isn't a common everyday word like many morphs, but I think it's fitting.

 

[Nanci]

I like Auratum, too.

 

[endrin]

Is it me or does the second snake pic look like a Rat snake??

 

[Shiari]

Well... considering corns are a type of rat snake...

It looks like a corn baby to me. May have slightly bigger eyes than most, but then I have a corn from 'pure' corn lines that eyes slightly smaller than most. The coloring is new to our eyes, and when you add in the pattern modifying gene of stripe it just adds a bit more confusion.

 

[endrin]

Im not confused, just looks like a baby Rat snake to me imo. That being said, i would love to see the ultra version of it.