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Tessera price drop

Chip

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I thought there was a thread about this here, but couldn't find it. Unless the spelling of tessera was wrong, I guess it was removed. :shrugs:

I don't know anyone who bought more of these in year one than I did, with a total of five animals. Here are my thoughts on the issue.

I hatched 10 tesseras from a large yearling male's copulation. I bred him to five females, but one fertile clutch was all I got, outside of a waterbowl lay. At any rate, I got 22 good eggs and produced 3 males (one I intend to keep to breed back to the mother) and 7 female tesseras. I sold one female for 60% of market price for her irregular patten, and traded another. I loaned one male out to a friend, leaving me with 1.6 to sell. I've advertised them here, on ks.com, and brought them to shows. They got a lot of attention, but not one person bought at full price and most trade offers were simply not of interest. It was clear the asking price was too high. Whether it was the economy, or any other factor that has been suggested did not matter. I was willing to go down substantially behind the scenes, but I didn't want to be "that guy" for everyone else who also invested a large chunk of money to get into these year one. So all my ads said 1,200 for males/1000 for females. Not one inquiry on ks.

My take: the reduced price is the best thing that could have happened for those of us who bought early. Yes, it stings to see your investment animals worth half of what it had been overnight. But now you can actually SELL their offspring! I am thrilled! If you aren't, bear with me and let's do some math.

Let's say you bought one pair for $2,200.

Now I'm going to be really conservative. Let's even say that you had nothing to breed them to! So you pair those up and get only one modest clutch of 20 eggs, and 10 tesseras. An average gender ratio of 5.5 would be an average sale price of $450. That's $4,500 from one animal, one clutch, first or second year, which could have been duplicated with a single $1,200 male. Not a bad return, I've never gotten that lucky in the stock market! And lest we forget, this hobby isn't all about the cash return. We're breeding reptiles! The excitement of that tessera clutch hatching was a feeling I haven't had in a decade. When I have tessera morphs coming out that (hopefully) no one has seen yet, it will be even more thrilling! There's no doubt in my mind the investment will be more than covered, even if that takes 2-3 years.

Imagine you went as crazy as I did and bought five (2.3) tesseras. That's a $5,400 investment. With Murphy's law (waterbowl lay, 3 infertile clutches), and the terrible ratio I had (3.7), that's still $5,300 if I sold them all for half the original price. 100 bucks away from my investment in one clutch!

By all accounts, the reptile market stinks right now. I just vended the Hickory NC show, and left with every single animal I brought. Very few people are investing in high end reptiles, let alone four digit colubrids. At the 1/2 price point, WE CAN SELL THEM NOW! Tesseras are becoming in reach for average hobbyists. That equals more demand and more interest. While it might feel bad to own "a snake" worth half what it was yesterday, I believe it's better for everyone -including us full price early buyers -in the long haul.
 
Plus they're a dominant trait (AFAIK no super either) so the prices would fall faster than a new recessive anyways. You can make tesseras in the F1 so don't have to wait on hets to make visuals.
 
I believe that the thread where we started talking about pricing was someone's for sale thread so I don't blame him for deleting, but I am glad to see the topic back up for discussion.
As Matthew said Tessera is a dominant trait so it wasn't going to hold up much longer when you can get half a clutch of tesseras each time you pair one up.
At least now people are going to be able to afford and breed them and we can see the tessera variations of various morphs I can't wait to see a tessera hypo lav or cinder tessera. I'm sure there may be some sour grapes here and there for people who spent big bucks but IMO $500 is probably the most the majority of people might be willing to spend for a corn snake.
 
Why are males more costly? Isn't that opposite of the norm?

In fairly new morphs, males are worth more. That is because one male can breed many normal females and produce lots of hets, if the trait is recessive. Or more tesseras, in this case.

Once the morph becomes more common and people already have a morph male, or even a pair, then females will be more in demand because the male they already have can breed several females of the same morph. It makes perfect sense because of biology.
 
Great analysis, Chip. Tessera, as a dominant gene, is going to be really cool to work with!! Can you even imagine a Tessera Sunkissed Bloodred???
 
Tessera amel bloodred is project #1, for me. That and really colorful "normals." And I want to see a blizzard. The cool thing is, even though the market gets saturated quickly with co-doms, you make visual morphs just as quickly. The males can breed at one year if well fed. Just keep a male back with known hets, and you only have one year to wait!
 
The cool thing is, even though the market gets saturated quickly with co-doms, you make visual morphs just as quickly. The males can breed at one year if well fed. Just keep a male back with known hets, and you only have one year to wait!

BINGO !!!

I believe the market will be saturated with normal colored Tesseras with in two more years and won't go for more than
$100 - $200 ea. if not less.

I don't believe other color / pattern Tessera morphs with fetch high prices either considering the quote above. All anyone has to do is purchase a low priced Tessera, breed it to another color / pattern and bingo, TesseraS het for that / those spacific traits in the F1's

Hold back a F1 male, breed it in a year to a matched Homo female with respective traits and
target hit....in numbers, not just one.

I think alot more people will go this route rather than pay high prices for what they can produce very quickly. Co-Doms can be reproduced too fast, hence price falls too fast. Seen it happen with Ball Pythons alot.

Ya just can't put a high price on a co-dom and expect it to hold there long......supply usually beats out demand too fast.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
Seen it happen with Ball Pythons alot.

Ya just can't put a high price on a co-dom and expect it to hold there long......supply usually beats out demand too fast.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

I agree about the Ball Python market, seen it happen myself even invested and lost :)

I truely believe the only reason why cornsnakes cannot hold that high price is due to the large number of babies produced. If given an average of 4-8 eggs, maxing at 12 you would see prices holding for years and years. Profits would stay high!
 
I bought a high priced Tessera, but I don't mind. he is beautiful and I am excited about breeding him to my female opal stripe this coming spring. I'll be interested to see what they produce,
Marsha
 
I honestly cannot wait to see the price of Tessera come down. I would love a "Normal" and an Anery, A or B. I just cannot afford the current market prices of new morphs. Hopefully one day I will have two seperate snake buildings on my dream property. One for breeding and hatching hybrids, and the other for keeping the blood pure. I love both hybrids and pure corns and would like to keep the "hatcheries" separate as to keep the possibility of mixing them down.
 
Not very suprising is it... Next year they are likely going to be half the price again.. Bombing out like my beloved ultra's...
 
And my beloved opal stripes and hypo lavender stripes.

And the beloved numbers of numb skulls willing to mass produce to kill off their market as well... *shrugs* I feel you Nanc... I really do...
 
Why are males more costly? Isn't that opposite of the norm?

I believe the males are more is because Tessera is a dominantly inherited mutation you can breed one male tessera to several females. Each female's clutch will have approximately half tesseras instead of one female tessera having half of the clutch tesseras.
Thanks Chip for posting this, I too invested in tesseras when they were full price and don't regret it at all. I really love the looks of the classic tesseras.
John
 
I believe the males are more is because Tessera is a dominantly inherited mutation you can breed one male tessera to several females.
Oh, that makes sense. So I could breed a male Tessera with my Abbott female and still get some Tesseras. Cool!
 
Oh, yeah. Theoretically you'll get half. And I think breeding them to really pretty normals is going to make some of the coolest ones! If you could get the great colors of miamis and okeetees, those tesseras would really stand out, and might become a line bred name of their own. I have already trademarked the names "tessami" and "tessatee," though!
 
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