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A blow I'm not sure I can recover from

Mode of transmission is by direct contact with infected fecal matter, infected objects, or (depending) an infected animal. Of course, a snake can keep re-infecting itself with its own fecal matter, etc., too.
So, while it is not as easy to transmit, as some other things (i.e. virus, airborne, etc.), it is, or can be, made easier by keepers who are "lenient" with their husbandry (feeding, cleaning, handling, etc.).

Pretty much, though the fecal matter must be ingested at some point in order for the parasite to begin its' life cycle.
This usually happens via the water... the snake moves through the water, Crypo is shed into the water, and then drunk.

Wow, I am so sorry to hear about Solaris. I know how hard it must be for you and can understand how you'd not want to euthanize her.
Since she is gravid, I am keeping prayers that you can get some Crypto free babies.

Thank you, it's a tremendous blow.
I hoped to be able to breed Solaris in the future but naturally that's out the window.
The levels of anxiety I am experiencing are rather severe as the tests aren't that cheap, and I am testing pretty much everyone...

There are still two snakes at relatively high risk(though much less than the T+ was, and he's Crypto free apparently)... one of which is quite essential to my projects... a Blood Boa male... he's been with Phoenix for less then 24 hours(as opposed to -2- months for the T+).

Let's hope I won't be receiving any more bad news.
 
@tiny update, got the reptaid- I am glad it passed through customs... sadly, it is not recommended to be used on gravid females.

No new tests were sent just yet, the Boas aren't too keen on pooping for some reason hehehe.
I do have two samples lined up for shipping to testing though so I will ship them tormorrow... I hope others will poop as well by tomorrow.
 
The snakes listened I guess, 2 more pooped so that's 4 samples to ship out.
Results should be available by tomorrow evening(which is noon for you).
 
Tomorrow is my birthday and I got the "Best" birthday gift ever.

Salmon poss het Blood and a Coral Albino- Crypto positive, euthanized.

Leopard- Crypto positive to a low degree. Isolated and started on Reptaid... I can't bring myself to kill him... I need to speak to the vet regarding this specific result since she told me in the past that some snakes have only one stage of the parasite in them and it's possible for them to get it out before it evolves into a colony... though I am skeptic.

The adult Nic T+ is still Crypto negative which is nice, but the blow is severe enough to still keep me down.

I will continue posting results.

It is important to note though- I suspect that the transmitting of the parasite was done by the cleaning scrub I used to clean water dishes with. Do not clean tubs or water dishes with multi-use scrub/foam/whatever.
 
I'm sorry to hear of your further losses. I'm hoping that things will turn around. I clean any water bowls with Chlorhexidine and each one separately without a commonly used sponge or cloth. I generally use my hands and wash between.
 
I'm sorry to hear of your further losses. I'm hoping that things will turn around. I clean any water bowls with Chlorhexidine and each one separately without a commonly used sponge or cloth. I generally use my hands and wash between.

Crypto is resistant to Chlorheixidine... just so you know, but it's a good hygiene measure in general.
 
I believe it's resistant to God at this point, but the stuff does kill everything else and at this point, I've had no issues. I do quarantine for a minimum of 3 months and usually 6 to be on the safer side if I don't know where my animals come from and then the feeding tongs are heat sterilized in the dish washer. No one is co-habitated unless being bred and so hopefully I won't have issues. You can only do, what you can do. If the animal has crypto though, the only dish that will get that is it's own. I don't switch water bowls and I always wash separately.
 
Spoke with the Doctor,
The Leopard had 1-2 Occysts in the stool so there's a chance, a slight one, that with enough of an immune system boost the infection can be removed.
There's really no way of knowing. I will treat and care for him, and in 6 months' time test him again.
 
Hope it goes well. Thinking good thoughts for you. I think we all appreciate your posting this so candidly and telling what you're doing. Kudos to you for doing that!
 
I'm trying to gather as much information as I can...
I am at a rather rare position where I have two Crypto positive animals that I keep alive and away from the rest of the collection...
As I see it, I think the two most common scenarios ar:

1- A pet owner would simply do whatever he can to keep the animal alive, and possibly will not try re-testing the same animal. It is also possible that said owner will just to listen to his/her vet rather than take it upon himself to learn all the possible solutions.

2- A breeder would probably euthanize the animal or keep going as if nothing happened.
While I have euthanized 3 animals so far, I am trying to find a solution for at least one of the two.
The second one is a gravid female in prime condition even though she's Crypto positive- it's a good chance to test the babies and see what is the infection rate of the young and whether or not pregnancies can be salvaged under the right conditions.

If I do not document all of this here, what good would it do? People deserve to know and the more we all know, the better chance we have in dealing with this parasite, which may very well have integrated itself deeply into everyone's collections
 
Oren, I commend you for your honesty & your strength.
It take a lot of courage to be honest in this type of situation. There are many that would not be.
I'm sorry for the loss of some of your snakes. I wish you the best in your remaining animals.
 
If I do not document all of this here, what good would it do? People deserve to know and the more we all know, the better chance we have in dealing with this parasite, which may very well have integrated itself deeply into everyone's collections

But many/most people would try to sweep it under the rug, and hide any/everything from the public eye.
I greatly appreciate this "journal" of your experience that you're keeping, and I know many others do as well. I feel horrible for you and your animals, but wish you the best of results and many more years of happiness with the ones you have left.
 
How long till the babies are born, Oren?

My torts were part of an experiment to see if herpes virus passed vertically from mother, through the egg, to the hatchlings. It did not.
 
Thinking of you Oren. Whilst no-one deserves this kind of luck, you really don't. Thank you for being so strong and so amazingly forthright. Yes you could have kept quiet, but then you wouldn't be the wonderful person you are
 
How long till the babies are born, Oren?

My torts were part of an experiment to see if herpes virus passed vertically from mother, through the egg, to the hatchlings. It did not.

The math says that by the 6'th of April... but this is not fool-proof since detecting ovulation is a bit difficult with Boas.
She may surprise me sooner.

Crypto is a digestion tract parasite so it has little to do with the young- the risk of infection is upon emerging since they can come in contact with shed occysts in the viv.
I will need to test at least some... I have yet to decide on how to go about it... depends on the size of the litter... there's a limit as to how many I can test.

Thinking of you Oren. Whilst no-one deserves this kind of luck, you really don't. Thank you for being so strong and so amazingly forthright. Yes you could have kept quiet, but then you wouldn't be the wonderful person you are

Thank you for the compliment.
Reaching a point where you are forced to come full circle and extinguish the life you fought to preserve for so long is difficult. Initially I thought to hand the animals over and have someone sign that they are aware of the snake's condition... Eventually I was convinced(by another) that I cannot know for a fact that the new owner will not breed and isolate the snake for the rest of its' life... I was dodging responsibility by trying to avoid taking life.

At the end of the day though, I cannot be a contributor to the escalation of Crypto propagation in the field. Some will consider me mercyless... God knows that there are instances where I feel I am just that.
Many tears have been shed, but we can only do what we think is right and hope that in the long run we caused as little damage and pain.

For a long time I thought and hoped that snakes will be a fundamental part of my livelihood... things were going my way and I had a collection I was really proud of.
And here I had to face with the death of the jewel in my collection... and discovering that some of the snakes I was emotionally attached to the most, were infected.

For a long time I have contemplated the thin line breeders have to tread... between treating the animals for what they are, and treating them as merchandise. I felt a dissonance for a long time, though that hardly means I wanted to stop.

In a way... Phoenix was true to her name. To me, her death was a sort of re-birth. It was, and still is painful, but it initiated a series of changes I consider significant in my life...
One is the transition from business planning to hobby-level breeding projects... the other is the re-prioritization of the way I allocate my financial resources and sharing my experiences so that they may spare others from going through the same ordeal.

I thought I might stop keeping snakes... but I know that it is very much a part of who and what I am... but that doesn't mean I should make a business of it.

This whole ordeal also reminded me of how much I find biology and medicine fascinating... I am currently looking into going back to "school"... I am contemplating herbal medicine studies.

In a way, I felt like one of the most sacred things I cherished was ravaged and violated... it still feels like it...
But I now know that it is inevitable... it could have just as easily been IBD... and had I spent even more money, I would find myself completely financially devastated.

This is not to say that it's not a valid way to make a living... I still believe that it is... but Israel presents a unique set of difficulties in the form of a less educated community, High costs due to taxes and expansive import fees- which importers try to reduce by purchasing low quality/inexpensive snakes, and inaccessibility to new stock in a case such as this if one wishes to re-build himself.

Thinking "why me" is very unproductive at this point... What keeps me going is my determination to try and react effectively to any situation, rather than allow myself to drown. There are people with much much harder life experiences... but I had my share, and it has served me so far.

If me sharing information can assist someone else, I have turned a horrible situation into a positive one. I also get to express my thoughts and feelings, which is very helpful to me.

If there's anything I would like people who read this thread to leave with, is to understand the seriousness of this threat to the hobby as a whole- I practice hygiene and care for my animals and yet, this parasite managed to infect many of my animals.
The actual source can hardly be traced and it is not contained as I thought it was.

By continuing to avoid lab testing stool samples we are jeopardizing not just our own animals but every animal we come in contact with, and it can and will spread to other collections.

Do not, as I did, assume that Crypto is something you only read about- it is a serious matter and if we do not give it the appropriate attention and significance, there may come a time where the majority of the snakes and lizards in captivity are at the mercy of this parasite.
 
Oren, that was beautifully said. I'd wait until you get to the end of this chapter before deciding exactly how to rewrite the next. I had many second thoughts about keeping when I lost a lot of snakes all in one year to something I'm not even able to pinpoint. Some of them I knew the cause, but some were for no reason at all and when I had necropsy and pathology done it was not helpful except to tell me is WASN'T crypto or IBD. There was no explanation for the findings so I had to decide whether or not to keep going. As you can tell, I did....I sincerely hope that this will lead you to a positive change....perhaps medicine, perhaps something else, but either way, you've provided useful and valuable information to us all and I am grateful that you allowed us to share in your pain. I truly am sorry for the losses you've suffered and hope that the babies you do have are free of the disease.
 
OK, the stakes are high...
I sent samples for the CA T+ Paradox and the Blood male.
I -really- could use a break right about now.
 
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