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A case of retained sperm????(Update 5/31)

Susan... I am with you, I have never heard of an entire clutch being retained sperm, but like you mentioned 1 or 2 eggs. That is what is throwing me. I think Tara and you are on the right track. I did the whole calculator thing and came up with the same thing you and Tara did. The male cannot be het anery, and the female has to be some sort of Ice, or ghost with a great deal of yellow that would explain a perfect 50/50 split of this clutch.
 
So here is 11 of the 12... 12 is still pipping

Perfect Amels and Normals even a couple that were fiesty enough to bite me. A quick clutch shot before seperating.

 
I have to agree with what some have said. The Ultramel Anery looks more like Anery and does not appear to have the Ultra gene, IMO. I do hope I'm wrong though!
 
Must be

Just a Anery het Amel, as far as retained sperm, I just had a female fire lay eggs all except 4 eggs dont look fertile.If they are I will be very suprised I never had a female retain sperm for a year as long as I been breeding and thats a LOT of clutchs!
 
I know they didn't turn out as hoped, but that little hateling in the front just has me giggling.
 
Did you at least prove the bloodred gene? Or at least a few that look like they might be het bloodred? If there is a female amel that looks like she has the bloodred "het markers", I would love to have her and perhaps test her out with my ice blood male when they are ready. I'll have some other things I could test her with and I really like the look of the anery-whatever female.
 
SickPyth7 said:
I have to agree with what some have said. The Ultramel Anery looks more like Anery and does not appear to have the Ultra gene, IMO. I do hope I'm wrong though!
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Probably not wrong Justin. Looks like I will testing her out in the season to come... :)

stephen said:
Just a Anery het Amel, as far as retained sperm, I just had a female fire lay eggs all except 4 eggs dont look fertile.If they are I will be very suprised I never had a female retain sperm for a year as long as I been breeding and thats a LOT of clutchs!
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Thanks Stephen, I thought retained sperm was more of a 2nd clutch thing too, but after some research there has been a couple people swearing that they have retain sperm for a year:shrugs:. It puzzles me...

AliCat37 said:
I know they didn't turn out as hoped, but that little hateling in the front just has me giggling.
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Oh yes Ali... he is a pistol. I have nicknamed him Mr. Tude. He has a funny hop right before he lines you up to bite at you... It is cute.:D

Susan said:
Did you at least prove the bloodred gene? Or at least a few that look like they might be het bloodred? If there is a female amel that looks like she has the bloodred "het markers", I would love to have her and perhaps test her out with my ice blood male when they are ready. I'll have some other things I could test her with and I really like the look of the anery-whatever female.
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No problem Susan, I will check in the morning with better lighting. I did see some markers on some of the normals so one of the adults "maybe" het bloodred. But no actual bloodreds in the clutch...

Somewhere around May 21st the Amel male has another clutch that should be pipping. 22 eggs with a Sunglow het anery, bloodred(hopefully, same guy I got the Amel male from) So we shall see what comes of that clutch. If I get Fires, then there is a good chance of het bloodreds in this clutch.
 
Buzzard said:
Probably not wrong Justin. Looks like I will testing her out in the season to come... :)
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Well either way I REALLY like the Amels produced. If you end up selling a female maybe I'll pick one up, I like the orange coloration. Very nice clutch!
 
SickPyth7 said:
Well either way I REALLY like the Amels produced. If you end up selling a female maybe I'll pick one up, I like the orange coloration. Very nice clutch!
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They are very orange compared to other Amels that I have hatched in the past. Thanks Justin...

Looks like I will have to wait for them to shed. The belly checkers on the Amels are really hard to see. But so far I have 3.3 Amels and 1.5 Normals. I will double check the sexes again after they shed.
 
Well "Tango" (the father of this clutch) just had his other clutch start pipping..... Looky Looky....

A snow or Avalanche.... Sorry the fire that started pipping will not stick his head out for a pic.



So this means "Icecube" is WHAT?????? Charcoal/Lava with huge amounts of yellow(like Susan suggested)???? Charcoal/hypo het Caramel???? I is confused.... Please thoughts anyone?? I thought charcoal based animals had little to no yellow??, my brain is hurting after running all the possibilites through the corns calculators. I am coming up with a Charcoal based animal in order to get the results we got...
 
No clue, (cute baby!!) but I had a definite case of retained sperm from the previous year, last season. I unfortunately didn't figure that out (actually Camby figured it out!) until I had Don Soderberg all involved in the mystery lavender from a rosyblood father...(How embarrassing!!) Unlike your clutch, (if yours is indeed from retained sperm) mine were all deformed DIEs except Krinkle, and we know how he turned out!! Still love him, though.
 
Buzzard said:
These are the possible outcomes, that I should of had(not including the bloodred possibilities)
1/4 Amels
1/4 Ultramels
1/4 Snows
1/4 Ultramel anerys
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The possibilities are the chances of what each egg might produce.
25% possibility for each of the 4 options.

Last year I bred anery proven het amel X snow. Got an entire clutch of anerys. :headbang:
Do you still have the snow?
I'm a sucker for snows.
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Delicious pairing Walter. Thanks for your help last year figuring out my mess of ultramel caramel spawn.
 
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Such an interesting story. The mystery lady sure is beautiful! It'll be fun to watch what develops.

Was she bred in 2013?
 
Dave

In all the years I been breeding corns, a lot of the times that's the way things turn out!
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Originally Posted by Buzzard View Post
These are the possible outcomes, that I should of had(not including the bloodred possibilities)
1/4 Amels
1/4 Ultramels
1/4 Snows
1/4 Ultramel anerys


The possibilities are the chances of what each egg might produce.
25% possibility for each of the 4 options.

Last year I bred anery proven het amel X snow. Got an entire clutch of anerys.
Do you still have the snow?
I'm a sucker for snows.
So can someone explain how they are test breeding for Stargazing,since its acts as a recessive gene:shrugs:
 
Re: stargazing, yes, some are going to slip through the cracks, but they may be discovered if offspring later show the trait. And we do discover a lot of stargazer + animals by doing the test breeding, and thus remove those carriers from the breeding population. I have a sunkissed female, next year I hope to breed her to my homozygous stargazer male. At least her first 2 years will be dedicated to testing her. If a gazer shows, then she is never bred again. If no gazers after a decent number of eggs, then her percentage of chance of being gazer free will be listed. Because you list a percentage, people can see that there is still the tiniest of tiny chances that they carry the trait.
 
Unbelievable....:nope:
I brought this thread back up as to continue the interest in the further breeding trials of the Mystery girl now that I have her and all of a sudden it's becoming a thread about stargaze testing, which has NOTHING to do with the original post or my post.

Isn't there 100 other "stargazer" threads this could be talked about? Actually is there ANYTHING more that can be talked about stargazer??

I think I'll just withdraw my post on this girl and let everyone have at it about stargazer..............have fun !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
The female certainly looks like an anery ultramel to me.

I think it was just a case of the odds not working in your favor.
 
Walter Smith said:
Unbelievable....:nope:
I brought this thread back up as to continue the interest in the further breeding trials of the Mystery girl now that I have her and all of a sudden it's becoming a thread about stargaze testing, which has NOTHING to do with the original post or my post.

Isn't there 100 other "stargazer" threads this could be talked about? Actually is there ANYTHING more that can be talked about stargazer??

I think I'll just withdraw my post on this girl and let everyone have at it about stargazer..............have fun !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
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Walter,
When you ID an Ultra as an Ultra,
do you go by the head marker, eye color, or visual overall color?
Or a combination of 2 or all 3 of those markers?
I think you have a LOT more experience than me with Ultra.

Also, in the case of individual corns without the triple prong head marker,
but still having the "Lemonhead" coloring, (or extra yellow near the head on the dorsal)
is that placement of yellow generally an indicator of being possible het for ultra?
Curiously,
dp
 
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