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Racism Instigation

tsst said:
You can't really be that naive about the media (liberal or conservative) can you? Let's take your video from the OP. Ms Maddow shows some 50 year old videos of segregationists and talks about wielding axe handles in an attempt to draw a parallel to a 20 year old video about racial job quotas in an attempt to draw a parallel to today's conservative white populous. Add in her polar opposites with a video from Rush and Beck so her league of followers know for sure she is right because anything anti-theotherside has to be right. Her most prominent statement (repeated more times than I was willing to count) was look out white America the black people are coming to get you.

Out of the 12 mins of my life spent watching it she gave maybe 15 seconds of factual data. So she splashed in 15 secs of facts mixed with about 11 mins and 45 secs of, what could only be described as fitting your thread title perfectly, racism instigation.

She may not have come out and said all white republicans are racists but her inference was just as strong as Beck shouting dems are reverse racists. If you missed her attempt your 'filters' may be deceiving you. :shrugs:

I, like Wade, watch little news on TV but when I do watch I segue from one to the other to get a balance. But speaking of Fox in particular, when watching I see local folks here in northeast Ohio that report facts, sports and weather both local and national. Most have not always been just on Fox but previously on NBC or CBS or ABC. Most have been part of the local news teams for decades and are trusted. :spinner:
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Sure...it's spun. It's filtered to appeal to die hard liberals, thirsty for a conservative to be angry at. But at least she was reporting on stuff that FoxNews actually said and did.

Yes, she spun it to favor her opinions, but you can't deny that fox actually ran the reports she referanced, and actually spoke the words she quoted. However she chose to edit and take them out of context is completely beside the point. The referances were real, the quotes were real, the reports were real.

Her comparisons you can take or leave as they are entirely spun to fit her opinion and appeal to a specific crowd. That doesn't change the factuality of the report.

On the other hand you have FoxNews reporting on:

Obama indoctrination based on a person's opinion of what might be said, without ever having seen the speech.

Obama being inelligible to be President because he wasn't born in this country when his Birth Certificate is from Hawaii.

Van Jones being a convicted felon that spent 6 months in jail, which is a bold-faced lie.

To me, there is an obvious difference between the two. One is factual data told in a biased manner. The other is non-factual stories told in a factual manner. There is a huge difference between being biased and being a liar...
 
wade said:
JP I kind of see you doing what you accused other of earlier in this thread. You seem to think that people who agree with you are speaking the truth and all others have been brainwashed by Fox News. Frankly, you are starting to sound a lot like Chris.
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No more, Wade. Not now, not ever. I'm done listening to you take pot shots at Chris. I thought we'd been through this before...

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wade said:
Bite me Nanci. If that is what it is come to. Bite my ass.
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Haven't been around in awhile, just checked in and found this, but I see some things never change.What a completely tasteless, juvenile and uncalled for comment. Hope this ban ( how many is it now?) is permanent!
 
I think if your points from infractions add up to 30 you get an automatic permanent ban. No one has ever taken it that far.
 
ForkedTung said:
Haven't been around in awhile, just checked in and found this, but I see some things never change.What a completely tasteless, juvenile and uncalled for comment. Hope this ban ( how many is it now?) is permanent!
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What a silly reason for him to take that ban, too. How difficult would it be to simply stop attacking Chris? I'd be embarrassed to be banned over something so trivial.

(Just to clarify; this isn't attacking Nanci's judgement in issuing infractions/bans but rather questioning Wade's logic and fighting her on it and thus receiving the ban)
 
And just an FYI, The moderators don't need to wait until 30 infraction points have been accumulated for a permanent ban to be implemented. It can be done at any point if the reason warrants it.
 
Teddy Roosevelt said:
How difficult would it be to simply stop attacking Chris?
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That's a good question. We have rules about inflammatory posts and personal attacks.

7) CROSSING THE LINE - Members who let disagreements get out of hand, post inflammatory responses (personal attacks), or use foul language will receive a 3-Day ban from the forum. This is a time to cool down, collect your thoughts, and come back and become a valuable contributor to the community. If it happens again, you will receive a permanent ban. It may seem harsh, but rules have to be in place to keep the forum a positive place free of animosity amongst its members.

Despite what this says, some members just cannot agree to disagree. Time and time again we have seen personality conflicts between the same people come to a head, resulting in insults. All the moderators, and probably a good portion of the membership, are sick and tired of it. If you have been warned, _ever_, to cease and desist arguing with a particular other member, or members, that means completely. It does not mean that two months later, after it has all cooled down, but you're still pissed off inside, you are free to start slinging the snide remarks and references again. It means drop it, permanently.

I am _not_ saying people can't disagree, respectfully. You can carry on about Arizona, racism, taxes, whatever for days or weeks or months if it interests you. I'm _not_ saying people who butt heads repeatedly, in a civil manner, need to stop. Just don't make personal attacks, and especially don't drag personal vendettas into it. It's just an Internet forum. Be nice. If you can't be nice, be civil.
 
I simply don't understand the animosity. I have wracked my brain trying to figure out what it is I might have done to Wade to make him dislike me so much, but I just can't come up with a legitimate reason.

Just for the record, I don't have anything against Wade. We would likely never be friends in real life, but I wouldn't hesitate to sit down and buy the guy a beer and have a conversation. We both like snakes, and that's enough for a conversation and a beer, in my book.

I just wish he didn't take every opportunity to be actively hostile and aggressive towards me.
 
tyflier said:
I simply don't understand the animosity. I have wracked my brain trying to figure out what it is I might have done to Wade to make him dislike me so much, but I just can't come up with a legitimate reason.

Just for the record, I don't have anything against Wade. We would likely never be friends in real life, but I wouldn't hesitate to sit down and buy the guy a beer and have a conversation. We both like snakes, and that's enough for a conversation and a beer, in my book.

I just wish he didn't take every opportunity to be actively hostile and aggressive towards me.
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You're the "yin" to his "yang". He can't help himself.
 
Susan said:
And just an FYI, The moderators don't need to wait until 30 infraction points have been accumulated for a permanent ban to be implemented. It can be done at any point if the reason warrants it.
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And I would like to clarify this a little bit myself. Personally, I see no reason to tolerate anyone who uses this site to belittle and antagonize me. As an extension of this thought, since the mods are acting to help ME with this site, as volunteers, I also see no reason to tolerate anyone who belittles them while doing that job here. It would be foolish of myself to tolerate such antics and permit such actions by members towards those people who are taking a lot of time from their lives and giving a lot of effort to help ME make this site pleasant for as many members as possible while here.

I have personally bumped heads with Wade in the past, so it appears that he does have a significant, and apparently insurmountable, problem with the way this site is managed. So that I say "Farewell, Wade. It's been real...."

I am making the ban permanent.
 
Rich Z said:
And I would like to clarify this a little bit myself. Personally, I see no reason to tolerate anyone who uses this site to belittle and antagonize me. As an extension of this thought, since the mods are acting to help ME with this site, as volunteers, I also see no reason to tolerate anyone who belittles them while doing that job here. It would be foolish of myself to tolerate such antics and permit such actions by members towards those people who are taking a lot of time from their lives and giving a lot of effort to help ME make this site pleasant for as many members as possible while here.

I have personally bumped heads with Wade in the past, so it appears that he does have a significant, and apparently insurmountable, problem with the way this site is managed. So that I say "Farewell, Wade. It's been real...."

I am making the ban permanent.
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And I would like to add that no matter how hard Rich makes out he is.... He's a real nice guy you can talk to, so don't be scared of him.... He's like a Dutch uncle...
As for Wade.... I really won't miss the snarky comments and the look at me attitude that went with oh so funny Wade.....
 
Rich Z said:
And I would like to clarify this a little bit myself. Personally, I see no reason to tolerate anyone who uses this site to belittle and antagonize me. As an extension of this thought, since the mods are acting to help ME with this site, as volunteers, I also see no reason to tolerate anyone who belittles them while doing that job here. It would be foolish of myself to tolerate such antics and permit such actions by members towards those people who are taking a lot of time from their lives and giving a lot of effort to help ME make this site pleasant for as many members as possible while here.

I have personally bumped heads with Wade in the past, so it appears that he does have a significant, and apparently insurmountable, problem with the way this site is managed. So that I say "Farewell, Wade. It's been real...."

I am making the ban permanent.
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I am sorry for this decision, but I totally respect that 1) this is your site and 2) there is back history here that I know nothing of and 3) that back history is probably part of the logic for the decision. None of this is said to criticize the perma-ban in any way. But when he wasn't getting into trouble, he was a nice guy, and I can't help missing the nice interactions.
 
Rich Z said:
And I would like to clarify this a little bit myself. Personally, I see no reason to tolerate anyone who uses this site to belittle and antagonize me. As an extension of this thought, since the mods are acting to help ME with this site, as volunteers, I also see no reason to tolerate anyone who belittles them while doing that job here. It would be foolish of myself to tolerate such antics and permit such actions by members towards those people who are taking a lot of time from their lives and giving a lot of effort to help ME make this site pleasant for as many members as possible while here.

I have personally bumped heads with Wade in the past, so it appears that he does have a significant, and apparently insurmountable, problem with the way this site is managed. So that I say "Farewell, Wade. It's been real...."

I am making the ban permanent.
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I find it unfortunate, but reasonable.

I think it sucks that he let his personal feelings for me detract from the real purpose of the forum, and I find it sad that those personal feelings were so strong that he simply couldn't let go. It's a waste from someone that is otherwise very intelligent and knowledgeable about snakes.

I will say that I won't miss the snark and constant antagonism. I know I may have deserved it at a time that is now long past, but there comes a point when you just need to let it go, and I really wish he could have done just that, before he allowed it to go this far.

C'est la vie...
 
Crap. I have always liked Wade and there are others I would rather see gone. But Richs' site, Richs' rules......
 
Shiari said:
As to why people won't acknowledge... I'm looking for the article now, but I read a recent study that showed even when people were presented with irrefutable evidence that a story they'd recently read, and believed, was wrong that they ignored that evidence and believed in the original story all the more.

The human mind can be a scary, scary thing.
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I apologize for not reading through the entire thread, but just wanted to comment on this. Yes, I've read that study, too. However, that wasn't just Fox News viewers, it was people in general IIRC. That its human nature to hold steadfast in your beliefs even when shown to be demonstrably false.

That being said, one has to be extra concerned for Faux News Viewers since they always score on the bottom when asked questions about current events and other news items - aka they're more misinformed to start with than people who watch other programs.
 
I had a major problem with Miss Montage many moons ago, called Joel. Lol
We, well I, got over it and we chat on FB Friends.
It's the way forward if you want to do forums IMO.
 
snakewispera snr said:
I had a major problem with Miss Montage many moons ago, called Joel. Lol
We, well I, got over it and we chat on FB Friends.
It's the way forward if you want to do forums IMO.
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Yes I remember when you and Elle were not the best of buddies. Glad that is over with now. And yeah, he's on my FB...has been since he got himself banned in May, LOL.
 
Beth, I think you have my contact info. Can you relay it to Wade for me since I don't FB?
 
wstphal said:
Beth, I think you have my contact info. Can you relay it to Wade for me since I don't FB?
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I don't think I have it...uumm have you considered getting FB? It really is NOT the devil! :)
If not just pm or email me your details and I will pass it along :)
 
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